As a bipartisan border bill stopped in the Senate by Republicans makes national news, we’re digging into the possibilities of actual progressive border policy by asking: What if we just had open borders? John Washington literally wrote the book about it — so he’s our guest this week. Watch below:

The inhumanity of mainstream American political discourse surrounding immigration is particularly stark in light of the destabilization of foreign governments and exploitation of resources that form the major part of the U.S.’s treatment of its southern neighbors. Refugees fleeing regions marked by post-regime change violence and precarity are then turned away (or worse) at the U.S. border for seeking safety. It’s an issue on which both Republicans and Democrats generally remain conservative, to the grave detriment of people facing unprecedented danger.

We’re so glad to have John on the pod this week to imagine a different, humane way forward in American border policy. What would open borders mean for immigration policy? We get into it — and much more — on this week’s episode of KK&F. You can listen to this episode as a podcast tomorrow night on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and more.