Questions for Pro-Immigrationists 4

These are some questions that left-wing proponents of mass immigration have never been able to answer satisfactorily (at least not to my satisfaction):

1. What will be the fate of such matters as womens’ rights, gay rights, church/state separation, free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of scientific inquiry, and exemption from excessively harsh punishment when Islamic fundamentalist parties become competitive in European elections?

2. Will not the allowance of mass Islamic immigration into the West eventually result in the overthrow of present day Enlightenment civilization in the same way that Christianity overthrew classical pagan civilization?

3. Will not mass immigration from Latin America into the U.S. not result in a replay of the Mexican War in the U.S. Southwest?

4. Will not the demographic threat posed by mass immigration result in the traditional ethnic and national groups of Europe and the Anglo nations going the same way as the American Indians?

5. If whites become a minority in the future America, will they not suffer the same fate as whites in present day Mugabe-ruled Zimbabwe? Are not whites legitimate in seeking to avoid such a fate for their posterity?

I’m still waiting for the answers.

4 comments

  1. @1 I Don’t live in europe, but the best defense is to get rid of democratic thuggery–i.e. the state. All other approaches are futile because immigration a.k.a. “moving” will always occur given radical economic disparities.

    @2 I’d worry more about the threat christianity poses in overthrowing “enlightenment” civilization. Don’t worry too much in any case, civilization isn’t that enlightened.

    @3 Not unless some douchebag gringo declares war on the incoming hispanics. Live and let live–I thought that was the point.

    @4 Are you afraid that migrant labor is going to commit genocide against the white race? Really? Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t forsee a future in which central american cavalry forces the remnants of a post genocide white race onto reservations.

    @5 They’ll probably suffer the same fate as blacks and latinos in present day america. Another good reason to end violence based social organization before it’s too late.

  2. Thank you for your response.

    “1 I Don’t live in europe, but the best defense is to get rid of democratic thuggery–i.e. the state.”

    That’s the ultimate solution, of course. But it matters whether or not the abolition of the democratic state occurs before or after demographic overrun allows Islam and other hostile alien elements to become politically powerful within the context of the statist system, just as it mattered whether or not Soviet communism collapsed before or after it was capable of invading and occupying Western Europe.

    “All other approaches are futile because immigration a.k.a. “moving” will always occur given radical economic disparities.”

    I would agree with you that immigration is in part motivated by economic policies imposed on the underdeveloped world by Western imperialism and the international plutocracy. However, it is for that reason, and others, that mass immigration of the kid we are observing at present is not simply a “natural” pattern of human migration. Rather, it is being generated by both the effects of the global economic order and by the political agenda of the ruling classes of the Western nations. Mass immigration serves both the ideological and economic interests of the ruling class:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    There is no such mass immigration into non-Western countries.

    “I’d worry more about the threat christianity poses in overthrowing “enlightenment” civilization.”

    As I am a Nietzschean, you can guess what my opinion of Christianity would be. But Christianity in the West today is extremely watered-down by world or historical standards. Even the most fundamentalist Christians in the West are liberal compared to their ancestors or their Muslim counterparts. Christianity has zero influence in Europe, and its influence in America is declining rapidly.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0327/Christian-faith-Calvinism-is-back

    “The Barna Group, a California-based research firm, recently did a survey to find out how many US adults hold a “biblical worldview” – for instance, believe that the Bible is totally accurate, that a person cannot earn their way into heaven simply by doing good, that God is the all-powerful creator of the universe. The result: a steeple-thin 9 percent. Among 18-to-23-year-olds, it was 0.5 percent, fewer people than might show up at a Lady Gaga concert. Even among “born again” Christians, it was only 19 percent. In a separate report, Barna found that more than 6 in 10 born-again Christians say they are customizing their faith, not following any one church’s theology. “Americans are increasingly comfortable picking and choosing what they deem to be helpful and accurate theological views and have become comfortable discarding the rest of the teachings in the Bible,” the report notes.”

    “Don’t worry too much in any case, civilization isn’t that enlightened.”

    Well, that reminds me of Ghandi’s quip when asked what he thought of Western civilization: “I think it would be a good idea.” Still, it goes without saying that there are significant cultural, political, religious, economic, and other differences between, say, Saudi Arabia and the Netherlands.

    “Not unless some douchebag gringo declares war on the incoming hispanics. ”

    But that’s a two-way street.

    http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/reconquista-taking-back-the-american-southwest/

    “Live and let live–I thought that was the point.”

    Yes, but we have to consider that many people do not wish to have a cultural and political ethos of “live and let live.” You might, I might, but proponents of Cultural Marxism and totalitarian humanism do not. They wish to have a statist society organized as a kind of inverse caste system organized on the basis of victimological ideology. The “brown fascist” racialists associated with reconquista efforts certainly do not wish to have a “live and let live” approach to ethnic relations. Political realities cannot be ignored in favor of abstract ideals.

    “Are you afraid that migrant labor is going to commit genocide against the white race? Really? Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t forsee a future in which central american cavalry forces the remnants of a post genocide white race onto reservations.”

    Migrant labor, no. But the consensus among demographers is that ethnic Europeans will be a minority by mid-21st century, and the percentage of Europeans to other ethnic groups will continue to shrink. Consequently, ethnic Europeans will be surrounded by populations with deep-seated, centuries-long grudges against whites. This has ominous implications for future generations of whites.

    “They’ll probably suffer the same fate as blacks and latinos in present day america. Another good reason to end violence based social organization before it’s too late.”

    There are plenty of whites who are just as oppressed as any groups of blacks or Hispanics in present day America, and there are also plenty of blacks and Hispanics involved in perpetrating such oppression (the President of the United States, for instance.) Oppression cuts across color lines, and so does the sponsorship or execution of oppression.

    All forms of social organization are based on violence. He who becomes a sheep will be devoured by the wolves. There is no other way.

  3. Additional question:

    What will the possible results of mass immigration into a region mean for local environmental burdens and local sustainability?

  4. I can anwer #5. White posterity should be capable of fitting into Europe and living off European petroleum. We do have a right to limit US immigration to defend our resouces for ourselves, during our lifetimes, but beyond that our white posterity should be few enough to be ready and able to live in Europe should the partly native american meztizos ask them to do so. However, European immigration from the Southeast should absolutely be stooped cold in order to make that possible.

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