08:45​ Public sentiment and punitive policy on crime 18:02​ Glenn and Adaner on crime in America vs. Northern Europe 20:58​ Democracy’s effect on criminal justice policy 24:29​ Does the “New Jim Crow” cause higher incarceration? 31:33​ Glenn puts on the hat of a Trump voter on crime and race 34:40​ Adaner explains poverty’s relationship to crime 42:47​ The spectrum of moral culpability and choice 54:24​ Adaner responds to Glenn asking if a welfare state would reduce crime Glenn Loury (Brown University) and Adaner Usmani (Brown University, http://www.adanerusmani.weebly.com)