0:00 Intro 1:37 How Charles deals with his notoriety 5:26 Charles’s new book, Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in America 13:49 Grappling with the fact of group disparities 21:04 Threats from the left, threats from the right 27:33 The shift in white attitudes toward race since the 1950s 35:11 What would happen if white people revolted? 41:13 Charles: Black people are not genetically inferior 50:36 Why small differences in ability can have major consequences 54:29 Charles: We need universal, not race-based, public policy solutions Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and Charles Murray (AEI, The Bell Curve). Recorded June 1, 2021.