This is an interesting discussion. When Rogan asks them what their preferred solutions are to current economic problems, they both have what I consider to be a “reactionary” (turn black the clock) position. Saager’s ideal amounts to the dominant paradigm in the 1950s of New Deal welfare statism, nuclear families, protectionist trade policies, and immigration restriction (basically the Buchanan/Carlson outlook). His discussion of how “wokeness” is being used as a means of deflecting attention away from class issues is spot on.
Krystal’s views are more in line with the 1960s paradigm of Great Society welfare statism and cultural liberalism. Krystal interestingly admits that the “base” of the Democratic Party is “white affluent women” (her words) who are into “wokeness” as a form of virtue signaling.
Their left/right ideological differences aside, they both seem to have basically the same economic/class analysis, and the same analysis of the ruling class exploitation/co-option of “wokeness,” even if their proposed solutions are milquetoast.
Present economic problems are rooted in an excessive concentration of economic power. The solution is not an even greater concentration of economic power (i.e. transferring economic power from the aristocracy and feudal manors to the king’s ministries) but in the decentralization of economic power. Political and economic decentralization are naturally corrollaries to each other. There is not one without the other.
Political and economic decentralization also implies cultural decentralization. Left-anarchists assume that minus the state and capitalism everyone will be “woke,” and paleo-Rothbardians assume that minus the state and crony-capitalism everyone will be characters from a 1950s sitcom. But the dispersion of both political power and economic power implies both more autonomy and resources with which to create culture leading to much greater cultural diversity and not just the official kinds. Read and watch science fiction novels and films if you want to know the future of “diversity.” Traditional Chinese civilization often had a different set of gods for every village, and Athens and Sparta had much different societies even if they were both parts of the same Greek civilization.
The same is true of immigration/migration. Political, economic, and cultural decentralization implies neither open borders nor closed borders but decentralized borders.