My “Turning the Tide 9/11” Conference Interview with Dan Shumway

Rumble link

Journalist Dan Shumway of kla.tv interviews me at the 2026 Turning the Tide 9/11 Conference in New York City. You can watch the presentations we discuss at the Turning the Tide website.

Kevin Barrett: Truth versus lies and Satan is the father of lies. That’s been pretty consistent across all the cultures.

Dan Shumway: Yeah, so if you’re being truthful, you’re being godly.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, absolutely. That’s the point I was trying to make back in the early days of the truth movement when I was doing the Muslim-Jewish-Christian alliance for truth. And it was kind of eye-opening how the religion business has gotten away from that. How manyreligious professionals or people who have supposedly devoted their lives to religion are willing to suffer at all or to take the slightest risk with their careers to say a word of truth? It’s like, wait a minute, you should have picked a different business.

Dan Shumway: Well, you know, that thought came to my mind when I was listening to Brett Weinstein. Did you see his speech?

Kevin Barrett: No, I didn’t. I thought it was quite good. I’m plenty to see it on the web.

Dan Shumway: I thought it was quite good. Of course, there’s people I read on Substack who are like, oh, yeah, there’s a word, sayanim or something, you know, working for the other. But his speech was really good. But he said something. He says, look, you get into this movement, this truth movement, start telling the truth, and there are no positives. You’re going to be lambasted, excoriated, marginalized, blah, blah, blah.

Kevin Barrett: No positives? I think there are some positives.

Dan Shumway: Well, I think there’s one positive that weighs everything else, and that is you’re out telling the truth.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, well, that’s to start with. And that actually makes it so much easier to, for instance, be a public speaker or just to speak in general. Liars have to remember all this stuff, and they screw it up. That’s why we sit there watching these videos of these people, Silverstein saying this, and all these people saying these just preposterous lies because they can’t keep their story straight. Whereas if you’re speaking from heart and honestly, you can speak more intelligently, even withoutnecessarily having as high-powered an IQ as the liar that you’re debating. Look at Chomsky. That guy cannot be that stupid, but he sounds stupid because he’s not telling the truth.

Dan Shumway: And he’s so old, I think he’s lost it a bit. I think probably when he was 42, he was really good at the lies.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, maybe. He was subtler, too. Well, maybe not, though. If you look at what he used to say about JFK. It’s pure lies. It’s the same bullshit. Exactly the same stuff. Like, who cares who killed Kennedy? He was a jealous husband.

Dan Shumway: That was the most ridiculous thing. You saw Jimmy Dore?

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just shredded that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was fun watching Jimmy Dore.

Dan Shumway: It was. I think he did a great job.

Kevin Barrett: Oh, man. Yeah, yeah. That’s the kind of stuff. I mean, he’s basically saying the same stuff I’ve been saying forever. But he’s doing it better, obviously, he’s doing a stand-up schtick perfectly. It’s like a perfect stand-up schtick of all this stuff I’ve been saying.

Dan Shumway: And then I get that, okay, this is his comedy schtick. And then he has that other thing, which is really good. He kind of bounces things off his panel. Yeah. But if I was on the panel, I would think, I’m not one-tenth as funny as Jimmy Dore, so I can just do the best I can.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, that would be a challenge to be on the panel.

Dan Shumway: I know. Yeah, Ben Swan was trying hard, you know.

Kevin Barrett: I think, yeah, those guys did pretty well.

Dan Shumway: They did all right. They did all right. Ben did it. Oh, and when they were imitating Silverstein’s voice, Ben was like . It was hilarious. Yeah, yeah.

Kevin Barrett: Yeah, that was great. That was probably the best entertainment I’ve ever seen at a 9/11 conference, for whatever that’s worth.

Dan Shumway: I’ve met a couple people who have gone to like a Jimmy Dore, you know, he does his tours, and they’re, it was okay, it waslukewarm, but this one was good. It was funny. And I like when he gets fired up. They’re throwing seriousness in there.

Kevin Barrett: Right I’ve been sort of doing that type of thing with satire, not so much stand-up, although I occasionally have a wisecrack or two on False Flag Weekly News. But every now and then I just pump out some satire. The real events are so outrageous that it’s a challenge to figure out a way to write them up and exaggerate their outrageousness in some weird way so that the ludicrousness of the whole thing becomes blatantly obvious. But is it though, because what can you put past these people? So make up some completely crazy headline about something Trump said or did or whatever and you can be funny by showing how hard it is to parody these people.

Dan Shumway: Well not only that, the added difficulty is, think of the gravity and the tragedy of the things I’m talking about, and the sadness in it, and then making light of it. But that goes back to that phrase, if I didn’t laugh I’d go crazy, right?

Kevin Barrett: Exactly. The anger… Jonathan Swift was the first English language master of that kind of satire, a really angry satire, where he was horrified by the ongoing genocide for centuries, on and off, of Irish people, including Irish babies. And so he did that satire, A Modest Proposal, in which he proposed to solve all of these social problems all at once by eating the babies. It kind of starts out straight-faced…And a lot of readers didn’t understand that it was satire, of course.

Dan Shumway: That’s when it’s powerful. It’s when it hits them later, right?

Kevin Barrett: And the ones who get it, they understand why there will be those people who don’t get it. But then they also can share the author’s outrage at the situation. And so, you know, like making light of a genocide, well, you have to “make light” of a genocide and you have to be angry. It has to be angry laughter. And Swift, of course, was the master of that. And angry laughter works because it blows off some steam, but it also clarifies that we need to be angry about this.

Dan Shumway: We do, we do. And you know, some people don’t move into humor and stuff so easily. And like, for example, well, I’m not saying she doesn’t have a great sense of humor, but it’s not her style to be like you or Jimmy Dore making, or Wyatt Peterson… and I’m thinking of Vanessa Beely, and you can tell that this thing has just devastated her because she’s right there. Her friends are in Syria. She’s in Lebanon. But she said the other day, she says, at this point, I don’t let it bother me. Something to that effect. Like she’s managed to find a way to continue on without just being so down in the dumps, you know?

Kevin Barrett: She’s been in a tough position. Because that front has taken some hits: the regime changed Syria, they put Al-Qaeda in charge of Syria. What’s that about? And then they slaughtered all those people with the exploding pagers. Some of them are real Hezbollah operatives, and some of them are just kind of people doing their job and whatever, normal people, including some kids.

Dan Shumway: Right.

Kevin Barrett: They just slaughtered everybody. Yeah. And they’ve been genocidal against Lebanon as well as Gaza…

Read the full transcript at my Substack.

Also check out Salim Mansur’s new article “After the Boomers: Why Palestine Is the Moral Litmus Test for the 2026 Midterms” and links to the week’s four new articles at the Al-Andalus Tribune Substack.

Also, don’t miss this week’s False Flag Weekly News with E. Michael Jones!

Invite your friends and earn rewards

If you enjoy Kevin’s Newsletter, share it with your friends and earn rewards when they subscribe.

Invite Friends