Brecht Jonkers and Constantin von Hoffmeister talk about Eurasianism, Lev Gumilyov and his concepts of passionarity and ethnogenesis, Russia as a unique civilization separate from the West, the positive aspects of Russians as a mixed people, capitalists exploiting immigrants in the West, America as a new state-civilization, the failure of the melting pot in the US and the rise of ethnopluralism, an imperial people as the leading nation within an empire, the Malay people as a prime example of a leading nation in a multicultural country, and more.