0:00 Intro 2:19 Does systemic racism still exist in the US? 12:26 Addressing “racial inequities” rather than “systemic racism” 18:30 John: “The idea that modern colleges and universities are racist spaces is false” 29:18 Race and the academic job market 34:40 Why does anger persist even after progress toward racial redress? 44:57  The (possible) origins of the recent wokeness wave 52:55 Glenn and John agree to disagree Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and John McWhorter (Columbia University, Lexicon Valley, The Atlantic). Recorded August 7, 2021.