What do the ICE operations in Minneapolis reveal about a broader shift in the exercise of state power? Pulitzer Prize–winning historian, The Atlantic staff writer, and “Autocracy in America” podcast host Anne Applebaum joins Preet Bharara on Stay Tuned with Preet to discuss why Minneapolis has galvanized people in a way few events have in the Trump era, and why our closest allies now say the word for this moment is “rupture.” The conversation begins with a discussion about the Trump administration’s complete disregard for the rule of law and its implications for America. Next, they discuss the ICE crackdown in Minnesota and the administration’s lies after the killings of Renee Good and Alex Pretti. The conversation also turns to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s recent speech at Davos, where he warned that the world was witnessing not a transition but a “rupture”—and Applebaum shares why she agrees with that view and what “rupture” really means.

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Chapters: 0:00 – Intro 0:39 – Trump Admin’s Disregard for the Rule of Law 10:28 – Minnesota’s ICE Crackdown & Aftermath 16:26 – Trump’s Lies About Immigration Enforcement 14:18 – MAGA Isn’t Conservatism — It’s Radicalism 26:58 – Is Democracy the Most Fragile Form of Government? 30:15 – Mark Carney’s Davos Speech 31:35 – America is in Rupture: What It Means 41:43 – Modern Autocracy is Changing