Following the killing of the conservative political organizer Charlie Kirk, the Opinion national politics writer Michelle Cottle talks to the Opinion columnists Jamelle Bouie and David French about how to remember Kirk honestly and rising political violence in the country. Thoughts? Email us at theopinions@nytimes.com. Read the full transcript here: https://nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinio… Follow us: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast… Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/581OhiI… TikTok:   / nytopinion   Publish Schedule: Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays The Opinions podcast: “You’ve heard the news, here’s what to make of it.”