Krystal and Saagar debate Trump’s Insurrection Act deployment against protestors Reply

From a purely factual perspective, Trump is correct that what is going on now is a class-based insurrection, and not merely a protest movement, a series of riots, or a crime wave. From a purely legal perspective, the 1807 Insurrection Act does indeed give the President the authority to call out the military to suppress domestic rebellions.

But facts and legalities have nothing to do with power dynamics. Thus far, the military hierarchy has expressed discomfort with Trump’s idea of sending out the military, which is a powerful indication that the true power elite in the US does not yet feel threatened by the rebellion. Instead, they regard the theater of “democracy” to still be worthwhile as a self-legitimating ideological superstructure and institutional framework, Trump’s Spiro Agnew comedy act not withstanding.

The power elite is divided into different sectors and layers, with the managerial class occupying space immediately below that of the power elite. The upper strata of the power elite are those who control the industrial-financial-technological-military-intelligence-nuclear sectors.

If the upper strata power elite truly felt threatened, they would step and use their influence to suppress the rebellion, just as they used their influence to provide themselves with a “bailout” or “stimulus” following the Great Recession of 2008 and the present Great Depression Two. Martial law would be declared. Demonstrations would be strictly prohibited. Protest leaders would be jailed on treason and terrorism charges. That such charges might be untrue is irrelevant. Again, what matters is power dynamics. Dissident media would be ordered to shut down. Looters would be shot on sight. Curfew violators would be rounded up and sent to detention centers.

The next step in the rebellion would then be a full-scale armed insurgency of the kind that is more familiar in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia, i.e. a literal civil war.

Krystal and Saagar discuss Trump’s decision to deploy the U.S. military on the protests that continue to unfold over the death of George Floyd.

Experts: Derek Chauvin will likely beat third-degree murder charge Reply

I wonder if this article was written before or after the results of the independent autopsy came out, and essentially revealed that the initial autopsy was part of the coverup. I also wonder if this guy ever thought he would become the most hated man in the world overnight because of a fight over a counterfeit $20 that got out of hand.

I’m pretty sure that if a civilian did something like this in Virginia they would have been charged with at least second-degree (non-premeditated) murder, although it could potentially be knocked down to voluntary manslaughter by a sympathetic jury or as part of a plea deal. I’m not sure how the laws are structured in Minnesota.

By Susan Du

City Pages

Within a day of George Floyd’s curbside death at the hands of four Minneapolis police officers responding to a call about a possible counterfeit $20, Chief Medaria Arradondo fired them all.

But the law didn’t catch up with ex-cop Derek Chauvin – the white man who knelt on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes – until he was arrested four days later and charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

Now legal experts are calling that third-degree murder charge brought by Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman “legally defective.”


Keith Preston on George Floyd protests/riots and policing in the US. Reply

This was recording before the results of the independent autopsy were revealed. Also, at the time I mistakenly thought George Floyd had been accused of forging a check as opposed to passing a $20.

The Mindcrime Liberty Show is joined by Keith Preston to discuss the details around the George Floyd incident and subsequent protests and riots. What is the cause of this and are there any historical precedents. Did the lockdown have any effect on this? Why do some many on the progressive and liberal left advocate the FBI or Federal government to intervene considering the at best “shaky” relationship the FBI has to police violence itself espeically considering the fact it considered the civil rights movement its enemy. Keith Preston work can be found at and is the author of books including Thinkers Against Modernity and Attack the System.

U.S. lawmaker prepares bill aiming to end court protection for police Reply

Good job, Justin.

In the Ottoman Empire, murder was literally legal for someone who held the rank of sultan. “Qualified immunity” serves the same purpose for cops in the US Empire.

By David Morgan


WASHINGTON (Reuters) – With cities across America in turmoil over the death of George Floyd, a U.S. lawmaker plans to introduce legislation this week that he hopes will end a pattern of police violence by allowing victims to sue officers for illegal and unconstitutional acts.

U.S. Representative Justin Amash, a conservative independent from Michigan, won support from a Minneapolis Democrat on Monday for his “Ending Qualified Immunity Act,” which would allow civil lawsuits against police, a recourse that the Supreme Court has all but done away with.

The high court’s adoption (here) of the qualified immunity doctrine has largely shielded police from financial settlements for victims or grieving families. The doctrine protects cops even when courts determine that officers violate civil rights, a Reuters investigation showed here

“The brutal killing of George Floyd is merely the latest in a long line of incidents of egregious police misconduct,” Amash told colleagues in a letter. “This pattern continues because police are legally, politically and culturally insulated … That must change so that these incidents stop happening.”


A Question for Cop-Lovers and “Thin Blue Line” Types Reply

The question is: Why are we simply obligated to take this shit?

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On August 30, 2010, John T. Williams, a Native American woodcarver, was walking across the street carrying his carving knife and a small piece of wood when he was shot four times by Officer Ian Birk of the Seattle Police Department.

Police say Officer Ian D. Birk’ yelled three times for him to drop a knife and Williams did not. William’s was deaf in his left ear.

John T. Williams died. The shooting was ruled “unjustified” by the police department’s Firearms Review Board.

King County prosecutors have decided not to file criminal charges against Seattle police Officer Ian Birk in the fatal shooting of woodcarver John T. Williams.

The anger behind the protests, explained in 4 charts Reply

By Sean Collins


The protests that have risen up in many cities in the United States over the past week were sparked by the killing of an unarmed black man, George Floyd, by now-fired police officers in Minneapolis. Even though one former officer, Derek Chauvin, has been charged with third-degree murder, protests have continued night after night because they are not just about that single killing but what it represents: rampant police brutality that seems to have no consequences.

In fact, a recent analysis by advocacy group Mapping Police Violence found that 99 percent of police killings from 2014 to 2019 did not result in officers even being charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.

Mapping Police Violence’s data, which is gathered from public databases and law enforcement records, also shows that the number of police killings varied by year from 2013 to 2019 but did not fall significantly overall — in that span, the number of killings fell to a low of 1,050 in 2014, and had a high of 1,143 in 2018. For comparison, 373 people were killed in mass shootings in 2018 and about 1,010 Americans died of Covid-19 on May 30.


The Intolerable Tensions Between American Cities and their Police Forces Reply


The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd’s Reply

Giving cops “qualified immunity” is like giving physicians exemptions from malpractice lawsuits.

By C.J. Ciaramella


The killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis police officer on Monday has reignited calls for national reforms to policing, including ending qualified immunity, a legal doctrine that civil liberties groups say has become a shield for grotesque police misconduct.


Black and White: Unite and Fight! Reply

By Troy Southgate

People have every right to fight back against the corrupt US system and its brutal mercenaries, but let’s not pretend that police violence is reserved for Black people. At the same time, the Right’s predictable response to Black Lives Matter is to claim that most of the people who have been murdered by the police are themselves criminals and that they had it coming. Now, if it was ever officially decreed that instantaneous execution should be the penalty for criminality then millions of people in America, Black or White, would immediately be wiped from the face of the earth. Inevitably, therefore, by reacting to the racially-centred approach of Black Lives Matter in this ridicuous manner those on the Right inevitably justify the brutality of violent police officers and, thus, the institutionalised criminality of those who allow these murderers to patrol the streets in the first place. It is debatable whether all Black lives matter, just as it is debatable whether all White lives matter, but it is a fact that the American state is killing people of all colours and creeds, both at home and abroad, and that the only solution is for people to stop fanning the flames of racial conflict by attacking each another and to unite against the global establishment. That means rejecting the crass victimology of the mainstream Black organisations and the ignorant racists of the reactionary right. Black and White: Unite and Fight!

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Seattle police officer caught kneeling on the necks of multiple George Floyd protesters Reply

Serious facepalm.

By Chris Riotta

The Independent

A Seattle police officer was seen kneeling on the necks of suspected looters amid protests against the death of George Floyd, who died after an officer kneeled on his neck in now-viral footage.

The police department was responding to reports of looting at a T-Mobile on Saturday night when the incident occurred.

Journalist Matt McKnight recorded the confrontation and shared it to Twitter, showing the scene as multiple suspects were arrested outside of the vandalised store.

A man wearing an orange sweatshirt could be seen being tackled to the ground by multiple officers, as one placed their knee of his neck while restraining his arms.

Multiple protestors were heard in the video shouting “get off his neck!” as the man laid on the street, his head pressed into the ground. At one point, a second officer pulls the other officer’s knee from the man’s neck to his back, while continuing to restrain him.


Anyone Can Be a Victim of the Police State 1

Both of these memes make some important points. Anyone, from any socioeconomic or demographic group, can be a victim of the police state. Numerically, there may be more white victims, because whites are the largest group (about 60-70% of the US population). But, per capita, it is blacks, Native Americans, and Hispanics who are more likely to be attacked by the police, which in turn overlaps with class differences, because these ethnic communities are more likely to be poor.

A brown/black person is statistically more likely to be a victim of the police state, all other variables being equal. A poor person is more likely than a middle-class person. A member of a fringe culture (hippies, punks, Goths, etc) is more likely than a yuppie-type. A person with fringe religious or political affiliations more likely than someone with mainstream affiliations. A drug user more so than an alcohol consumer. A sexual minority (ranging from transpeople to sex workers) more so than a “straight” person.

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This really is an issue that transcends virtually all other divisions.

A religious fundamentalist (or any kind of religious minority from Wiccans to Sikhs to Jehovah’s Witnesses to Scientologists) should remember the massacre that was carried out against the Branch Davidian sect by the feds at Waco in 1993.

A white nationalist/separatist should remember the murders of the Weaver family at Ruby Ridge in 1992.

A black nationalist/separatist should remember the massacre of the MOVE in 1985.

No one who has ever participated in any of the various drug cultures should have any sympathy for the cops.


Red vs. Blue on Blue vs. Black and White Reply

These memes make some very important points in the sense that people of virtually all ethnic and even socioeconomic backgrounds can be victims of police brutality, whose ranks include everyone from mayors, professional athletes, suburban teenagers, upper-middle-class white women, active-duty military personnel and off-duty cops, to the poorest people who are homeless or living in urban housing projects. But obviously, it is the poorest and most disadvantaged people who are the most likely to be the recipients of this kind of treatment.

Unfortunately, when middle/upper-middle-class people hear about these incidents, they tend to dismiss them as the actions of rogue individuals while failing to recognize the institutionalized and systemic issues involved. The lower middle class tends to be socially conservative and pro-“law and order” because their class position is tenuous and they don’t want crime or disorder threatening what they have. But the very poor, particularly in densely populated urban areas where police brutality is the most common, experience police brutality the most frequently and recognize its institutional function, and do not simply attribute it to a few bad apples here and there. And the very poor in urban areas tend to be disproportionately black, often by a wide margin. Hence, the discrepancy depicted in the memes.


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