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SCP#1
Hello guys, and welcome to the first episode of Sensible Centrist Podcast, a new podcast series I am doing. Podcasting for me is now possible because I have a new microphone, meaning the audio is not utterly earbleeding like the last time.
My first guest is Liv Klingert, a Catholic millennial woman from Copenhagen. She broadly describes her views as ‘reactionary feminist’ in the vein of Mary Harrington.
We had a highly interesting conversation about gender dynamics within the Sensible Centrist space, and the relationship of sex, marriage, feminism, religion, and technology.
For this series I will put in the effort of timestamps, as I keep on wishing hosts of other podcasts would do this. As there are now so many podcasts its impossible to listen to them all for the full-length, very often I only want to listen to certain parts and find it annoying to have to keep scrolling through, so I will add that feature.
- Who is Liv? – 00:00 – 01:32
- I talk about the Reactionary Feminist space – 01:32 – 02:10
- Liv’s article ‘Beyond Vitalism’ – 02:11 – 04:43
- My article ‘Why I’ve Abandoned Vitalism’ – 04:44 – 6:00
- The issue with ‘Woman Hate’ in ‘Our Space’ – 6:01 – 08:22
- Why have 1950s Europe when you can have 1450s Europe? – 08:23 – 10:01
- Why Liv thinks Monogamy is best – 10:02 – 10:45
- Liv’s mention of Peter Turchin drives me into a digression on Whatifalthist/Rudyard Lynch ( UBERSOY ) – 10:46 – 13:57
- What does Liv think feminism can offer men? – 13:58 – 16:30
- My Admiration for Pimlico Journal’s article ‘Against Oriental Anti-Feminism’ – 16:31 – 18:44
- Liv’s views on non-Western views about gender roles – 18:45 – 19:38
- My thoughts on Russia, and is Russian-style/Mid-century West-style ‘Public Standards/Private Flexibility’ a good model for sexual relations? – 19:39 – 21:47
- Liv asks if we can have a middle ground between religious tradition and moderation? – 21:48 – 22:20
- If Christianity is true, is theocracy (Christianity the state religion, imposed to some degree) the only legitimate form of government? – 22:20 – 23:13
- Why does Liv think men have become so hostile to women in this online space? – 23:14 – 25:08
- My take on why so many men have become so hostile to women – 24:28 – 26:22
- I ask how many women can be ‘consistent feminists’? – 26:23 – 27:23
- Liv answers from the other side – 27:24 – 28:20
- The problem with modern competing visions of the ‘good life’ – 28:21 – 29:21
- Why this led Liv back to religion – 29:22 – 29:45
- Our modern epistemological crisis – 29:46 – 30:50
- I briefly forget my train of thought – 30:50 – 31:13
- How can gender critical feminists convince men their interests are not well-served by the Sexual Revolution? ( Walt Bismarck ) – 31:14 – 34:43
- Is the expectation of promiscuous sex, and not getting it, worse than a traditionalist culture of sexual restraint, from a male perspective? – 34:44 – 35:16
- The Hajnal Line and incels – 35:17 – 36:06
- Liv talks about respected paths for men unsuccessful with women could take in previous times – 36:07 – 36:34
- I think monogamy is inherently a fair system – 36:08 – 37:44
- Walt Bismarck now wants to get married, but can a culture celebrate both marriage and promiscuity? Was Dave Greene right? – 37:45 – 38:44
- Has J.D Unwin’s ‘Sex and Culture’ (1934) been proven right? – 38:45 – 39:32
- Liv thinks the problem is we have no unifying vision of the ‘good’. Elite men taking mistresses will always exist, but it should always be frowned upon – 39:33 – 40:12
- I bring the subject back to the Hajnal line and its possible eugenic effects – 40:13 – 42:40
- I ask Liv if women had to decide, would they date men beneath them in social standing and masculinity, or think society should return to traditional gender roles? – 42:41 – 44:02
- My frustrations with women not saying what they mean – 44:03 – 44:25
- Some women are ‘consistent feminists’, but not the majority – 44:26 – 45:47
- Liv argues technology has fundamentally changed gender dynamics – 45:48 – 46:32
- I argue men naturally ask the question in regards to feminism, ‘what’s in it for me?’ – 46:33 – 46:55
- I ask Liv about her Christianity, the legacy of online New Atheism, and explain my personal irreligion – 46:56 – 48:59
- I argue Christians can demand ‘authentic belief’ a bit too quickly to Christian-curious anti-Wokeists, and am more persuaded by political and philosophical arguments first – 49:00 – 49:32
- ‘Cultural Christianity’ is based on us all pretending to believe in real Christianity – 49:33 – 51:19
- Liv’s psychological need for genuine faith – 51:20 – 51:51
- Liv emphasises Christians and ‘atheists’ working together, yet I’m ready to get behind Christianity more-a-less completely (‘Believe in Believers’, Evan Riggs) – 51:52 – 53:34
- Liv explains the threat from AI girlfriends tearing humanity apart further – 53:35 – 54:45
- I ask if incels will be able to resist the draw of free or affordable AI girlfriends? – 54:45 – 55:48
- Liv again mentions how surveys show people were happier in the past – 55:49 – 56:10
- I ask if a half-way house between AI girlfriends and being Amish is possible – 56:11 – 58:08
- Liv thinks education should warn people of the dangers of AI, and rebuild civic life – 58:09 – 58:46
- I discuss Liv’s article on matchmaking, can arranged marriage become a thing in modern Europe? – 58:47 – 59:42
- Liv advocates comparing other cultures with one’s own, but not replicating – 59:42 – 1:00:35
- Of all countries to try and replicate in terms of fertility, Israel is the top of the list for Westerners – 1:00:36 – 1:00:56
- Liv discusses Israeli collectivism – 1:00:57 – 1:01:18
- Liv discusses her Danish and Filipino mixed heritage – 1:01:17 – 1:01:55
- I talk about how my family was comparatively quite collectivist – 1:01:56 – 1:02:35
- Liv continues discussing her family upbringing and mixed heritage – 1:02:36 – 1:03:18
- How can Christianity be rebuilt? – 1:03:19 – 1:04:50
- IF I was to accept Christianity is true, how would I get there? – 1:04:51 – 1:06:12
- We discuss hedonism, utilitarianism, and epicureanism – 1:06:13 – 1:07:02
- Closing statements (me unfortunately pronouncing her last name wrong) – 1:07:03 – 1:08:24
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