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SCP#5
In this episode we talk to qangin, a Kiwi (New Zealander) fusionist conservative. It’s fairly accurate to call him ‘a less annoying and extreme version of Eugine Nier’.
We discuss the history of New Zealand, whether the New Zealand/Maori relationship can be compared to Anglo-Canada/Quebec (hence the ‘black jack’ flag, which represents the bi-national Kiwi character’), whether the Imperial Federation could have worked, whether immigrants can ever assimilate into an Anglo culture, and economic policy.
I hope you enjoy!
- Introduction – 00:00 – 01:35
- How much is Qangin like Eugine Nier? – 01:36 – 02:26
- Which of the legs on the ‘three-legged stool’ is the strongest for Qangin, and how high (extreme) is the stool? – 02:27 – 04:06
- Qangin is more Chicago School than Austrian School – 04:07 – 05:30
- Why in New Zealand, was it the Labour Party that implemented neoliberal reforms in the 1980s? – 05:31 – 07:03
- Qangin describes Robert Muldoon as ‘Donald Trump if he was an alcoholic’ – 07:04 – 07:51
- Qangin continues explaining New Zealand political history since the 1980s – 07:51 – 09:37
- New Zealand is the only ‘Core Anglosphere’ (US, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand) nation to have proportional representation. I ask Qangin how it affects New Zealand politics and what he thinks of it. I explain how, with my conversations with Steven Stoppard, my views on this have evolved on more Schmittian lines – 09:38 – 11:57
- I talk about Aris Roussinos’ legendary UnHerd article ‘Boris Johnson’s Squandered Chance’ – 11:57 – 12:39
- Qangin describes New Zealand PR politics as being ‘the Prime Minister spends a decent percentage of his time trying to keep his coalition from biting each other’s heads off’. – 12:40 – 13:18
- Is the current New Zealand coalition (National, ACT, NZ First) doing a good job at fighting against Wokeism? –13:19 – 14:49
- Is the New Zealand/Maori relationship similar to the Anglo-Canada/Quebec relationship, as described by Fortissax in his response to my note? – 14:50 – 16:11
- How the Maori were far more advanced than other indigenous peoples in Anglosphere settler colonies – 16:11 – 18:03
- New Zealand as a Blue Labour-type society of ‘free farmers’ prior to the 1980s, the similarities and differences between the ‘South Anglosphere’ and the United States, and Australia being more like America whereas New Zealand is more like Canada – 18:04 – 20:33
- How Britain and the ‘Old Dominions’ drifted apart. Can it be revived? What would be different now? I argue it would now likely include the United States – 20:34 – 25:01
- The problem with ‘Commonwealth Nationalism’ as opposed to ‘White Commonwealth Nationalism’ (Britain + Old Dominions) – 25:02 – 26:15
- My debates with Steven Stoppard as to whether the legacy of the empire created a justification for multiculturalism, but having been persuaded by his argument that every Western nation has its own justification in its national mythos for the acceptability of multiculturalism and mass immigration. I also talk about a great ‘The Critic’ article on the thought process behind ‘Boriswave’ – 26:16 – 27:33
- Me and Qangin debate immigration from countries like India, with him for it and me very much against it. It comes to how we understand Anglo identity and what it means to be an ‘Anglo-Celt’ – 27:33 – 32:39
- Were ‘New World’ colonies in America and Australasia ‘nations of immigrants’ from the start, or were they founded as an extension of a greater Anglo-Celtic society? – 32:42 – 35:04
- Every Anglo culture has its own ‘national myth’ justifying multiculturalism, hence why the ‘Magna Carta’ in British discourse is a carbon copy of ‘The Constitution’ in the United States, preaching the exact same values, which are liberal, multiculturalist values, and I reiterate Steven Stoppard’s argument that ‘every country has its own justification for open borders multiculturalism’ – 35:05 – 36:24
- Qangin asks if immigration policy can be separated from Wokeism. I say that ‘in theory yes’, but because Anglo countries are liberal democratic nation states, and ethnic bloc politics are a base for Woke elites to whip up, ‘in practice no’. Mass immigration can only work in an authoritarian regime like the UAE, which hardly anybody in the Anglosphere wants. – 36:25 – 39:25
- What is ‘national identity’? I argue that multiculturalism thins out national identity to just be ‘speak English without an accent’, ‘live in the country’, and believe in liberalism, aka, an economic zone. I argue the idea that these populations would assimilate into Anglo culture has been thoroughly disproven by the past 80 years – 39:26 – 40:53
- I argue Qangin’s liberal attitudes are a result of his heritage, having evolved over many centuries of a ‘high trust society’, and that only White people ever believed in ‘colorblind individualism’ – 40:54 – 46:08
- We debate whether Rishi Sunak is British. I argue that not only is he not in an ethnic sense, he’s a dual citizen – 46:09 – 50:45
- I argue that the Woke are probably more correct than the ‘classical liberals’ in pointing out that it is in fact hard to live as an ethnic minority – 50:46 – 53:07
- We change the subject to economics. When can the state intervene? – 53:08 – 57:33
- The welfare state undermines organic institutions like the family and mutual aid, so there is a traditionalist synthesis with libertarianism. But various types of libertarianism fetishize the market and individual self-fulfilment above community cohesion, and society is much more than just the market – 57:34 – 1:01:13
- We discuss trade unions and the merits of sectoral bargaining – 1:01:14 – 1:14:22
- Closing – 1:14:23 – 1:14:46
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