Who Do Americans Blame for the Violence in Charlottesville? 4

What I find most interesting about this poll is that despite the common far left claims that Republicans are merely fascists and Nazis under another name, these results show that a super-majority of Republicans either blamed both sides (64%)or the far right (18%) for the melee, indicating that actual sympathy for the far right among Republicans or mainstream conservatives is actually very minimal.

By Gwynn Guilford

Quartz

Which side—the white nationalists or the counter-protesters—bears greater responsibility for the Charlottesville violence, which directly resulted in the death of a 32-year-old counter-protester? It should be a factual question. And also a moral one, considering that the demonstrators had gathered in the spirit of a homegrown terror group that lynched thousands of blacks and a foreign one that murdered around 6 million Jews.

Yet in the America of the moment, the question is a political one.

Only 18% of Republican respondents blame the white-nationalist groups for the bulk of the Charlottesville violence, according to a SurveyMonkey poll with 2,181 participants, via Axios. (Update: Note that this was not a scientific poll—here is the methodology—and may not be representative of the view of all Americans.) Some 64% think both sides share responsibility equally. Perhaps more alarmingly, only 46% of all the respondents put the blame on the white nationalists, while four in 10 condemn both sides equally.

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Neocons Are Upset With Me 3

This is an important piece by Paul Gottfried which points out that the fragmentation that is growing the United States is not primarily about race, something that both leftists and white nationalists are constantly missing. Every bit of evidence shows that the political and class divides are wider than the racial divides. The Red/Blue war is primarily, though not exclusively, an “intra-white” war, at least in terms of the leadership of both sides. While a “majority of minorities” tend to side with the Blue Team, and growing “minority of minorities” is siding with the Red Team. What Dr. Gottfried describes in the following paragraph is what the future of the Left/Right divide will look like, albeit in an even more radicalized form.

The most lunatic Cultural Marxists I’ve encountered are Aryan-looking Germans and Swedes, who right now are running their countries, into the ground. I haven’t noticed any black people in Europe pushing radical lifestyle agendas or demanding that Europeans open their borders to more Muslim migrants. For the last thirty years I have been battling PC fanatics, including the ones in conservatism, inc.; and these zealots have been predominantly white. Although I wouldn’t deny that the PC Left has tried to “empower” minorities for revolutionary or political transformational uses, the roles played by these minorities have been secondary. The major war for civilization has gone on among whites.

I am, moreover, delighted that some black commentators are willing to attack black race hustlers with the appropriate contempt. It was black conservative Larry Elders who had the spunk to say what I couldn’t imagine Stephen Hayes, Bret Baier, or Bernie Goldberg ever allowing himself to utter. Elders called Al Sharpton a bigoted thug who managed to start a race war in Brooklyn before becoming Obama’s gray eminence. And he described the raving California Congresswoman Maxine Waters as a “delusional poverty pimp.” Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee County was also one of the first interviewees whom I heard on TV openly condemning both sides for the Charlottesville riot. In the war for civilization at least a minority of blacks has been vocally and persistently on the conservative side. Am I supposed to reject such warriors in favor of white leftists who happen to have the approved skin color? I shall happily make common cause with decent people of all races to battle the Cultural Marxist totalitarians, who are taking power in just about every so-called liberal democracy.

By Paul Gottfried

We Seek the Truth

A Polish friend, who reads this website regularly, sent me recently this characterization of my personality and worldview:

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The White Right Rises Reply

My prediction is that in the not so distant future there will no longer be a distinctive “American” national identity other than pop culture, fast food, and speaking English with a North American accent. I’m quite sure that present efforts to remove monuments to figures like the Confederate leaders and Christopher Columbus will be followed by calls to eliminate monuments to figures like Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln. The Right is correct when they express concern about this, and the far Left will sometimes state explicit intentions of these kinds. I always predicted that as demographic change continued to take place and the general culture moved leftward, white nationalism would, for better or worse, grow as a  movement as well.

I would predict that even the Fourth of July will eventually be attacked as a holiday celebrating white male slaveholders. While the historian in me laments such occurrences, these can actually help to serve the anarchist cause by delegitimizing the existing state. Eventually, there will simply be no “America” at all even if the government continues to exist as an instrument of rule. Instead, the USA will simply be an agglomeration of corporations, arms merchants, bankers, and politicians ruling over a society that is fractured into cultural, ethnic, religious, and socioeconomic tribes seeking a greater share of the spoils. Such a society would barely cohere as a nation, and would probably more closely resemble present day India. This could only serve to weaken the existing state, but what comes next matters, and that’s why anarchists need to do a much better job than at present in terms of growing their own movements.

By William S. Lind

Traditional Right

One reason Donald Trump won last year’s election was that he was widely perceived as the white candidate.  This marked something more important than his election: the rise of white political consciousness.  As other racial and ethnic groups have done for some time (“La Raza” means “The Race”), whites are increasingly defining themselves by race rather than class.  Like other groups, they perceive they have group interests as whites and they are willing to work and vote for those interests.  This is entirely legitimate. 

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Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them. Reply

I’ve always thought that the Left’s reflexive habit of calling anyone and anything “racist” was going to have a “little boy who cried wolf” effect eventually. Genuine racism is dangerous, and potentially leads to the kind of inter-ethnic violence and oppression that has traditionally been found in many, if not most, societies. Racism is like alcoholism and drug addiction. It’s not something to encourage, but it will always happen anyway on some level in spite of efforts at prevention. As with addiction problems, the appropriate response is harm reduction, and not jihad approaches such as the 1030s Prohibition, the State’s “war on drugs” or the Left’s “war on racism.”

By German Lopez

Vox

In 2016, researchers stumbled on a radical tactic for reducing another person’s bigotry: a frank, brief conversation.

The study, authored by David Broockman at Stanford University and Joshua Kalla at the University of California Berkeley, looked at how simple conversations can help combat anti-transgender attitudes. In the research, people canvassed the homes of more than 500 voters in South Florida. The canvassers, who could be trans or not, asked the voters to simply put themselves in the shoes of trans people — to understand their problems — through a 10-minute, nonconfrontational conversation. The hope was that the brief discussion could lead people to reevaluate their biases.

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How Will the State Respond to Growing Antifa/Alt-Right Violence? 2

By Keith Preston

The State exists for the purpose of maintaining a monopoly over the legitimate use of violence within a particular geographical territory in order to more effectively control resources, exploit subjects, protect an artificially privileged ruling class, and expand its own power both internally and externally. The State does this while maintaining a self-legitimating ideological superstructure, and buying the loyalty of the middle class by suppressing the lower/underclass. The State is what you would get if the Mafia managed to eliminate all of its competitors, including the State itself, and consequently become a state of its own.

At times, the State will seek to maintain total control over every aspect of social life (e.g. the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century, present day North Korea or Islamist regimes like ISIS, the Taliban, and Saudi Arabia, or Israel’s conduct in the occupied territories). However, most modern states allow for a fairly robust civil society to exist that may actually have the effect of affording the average person a fair amount of comfort. States of these kinds, so-called “liberal democracies,” may even encourage intense political debate within certain narrow parameters (or even fairly broad parameters). Some states will allow or even encourage a fair amount crime and disorder in order to legitimize the expansion of state power to an even greater degree (what the late paleconservative writer Samuel Francis called “anarcho-tyranny’‘). For example, isn’t it interesting that in spite of the massive police and prison systems that now exist in the United States, one third of all murders go unsolved?

However, no state can allow disorder to spiral too far out of control, or it will lose its legitimacy in the process. A state of this kind is a protection racket that continues to engage in extortion and exploitation, but can no longer offer actual protection. Hence, states tend to be very sensitive to perceived threats to their own legitimacy. At present, the violence that is taking place between the Antifa, Alt-Right, and their various allies certainly poses no threat to the state. America in 2017 is light years away from Weimar Germany in 1932. But the important question involves the issue of to what degree the State will continue allow such violence to persist, if indeed it does persist, which it may not. That remains to be seen.

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Department of Justice Launches Probe of Charlottesville Violence That Left Three Dead 1

Prediction: The Trump administration, through Jeff Sessions’ Department of Justice, will look to eliminate the Alt-Right by bringing conspiracy and/or civil rights charges against some of its leaders. Now that Bannon is out, it’s clear that the Trump team has decided the Alt-Right is more of a liability than an asset. Look for the DOJ to bring some charges to prove Trump’s and Sessions’ anti-racist bonafides, and eliminate a nuisance from the Right.

By Daniel Politi

Slate

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The city of Charlottesville was reeling Sunday, trying to understand how the college town was suddenly engulfed by chaos and violence as a white nationalist rally turned deadly, claiming the lives of three people. Late on Saturday night, the Department of Justice said it would launch a civil rights investigation into “the circumstances of the deadly vehicular incident” that killed one 32-year-old counter-protester and injured at least 19. Two state police officers also died Saturday when their helicopter crashed outside of town as they were assisting with the unrest in Charlottesville. Federal authorities are also looking into the circumstances surrounding that crash. “The violence and deaths in Charlottesville strike at the heart of American law and justice,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement. “When such actions arise from racial bigotry and hatred, they betray our core values and cannot be tolerated.”

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Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a ‘major gift to the Right’ 1

Noam can be a bit wacky a times (e.g., “April 15 should be a day of celebration” and “the Republicans are the most dangerous organization in history’). But when he’s right, he’s really right. Amusingly, since this interview came out, I’ve seen pro-antifa elements in the anarchist milieu, such as Goofy Gillis of C4SS, taking the “Noam was a fan of Pol Pot!” line they apparently lifted from Accuracy in Media and David Horowitz, lol. Budding neocons all.

By Steven Nelson

Washington Examiner

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The left-wing “Antifa” movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.

“As for Antifa, it’s a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were,” Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. “It’s a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant.”

Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.

Chomsky said, “what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive.”

“When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it’s the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is,” said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. “That’s quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism.”

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After Charlottesville, Let’s Speak the Hard Truths, Not Just Moral Truisms Reply

I don’t share these authors’ paleconnish, Catholic traditionalist ideology but they make some very salient points. The neo-Nazis are social misfits that go out of their way to marginalize themselves (sorry, but carry torches and denouncing Jews won’t “play in Peoria” as they say). The neo-Nazis are disapproved of by 100% of the elite, 100% of the media, and 99+% of the general public. They hold the status of Official Bad People, and are in many ways a socially approved scapegoat: “Having a bad day? Blame the neo-Nazis!” Meanwhile, the Israel Lobby is literally trying to criminalize the BDS movement, and the primary threats to academic freedom and free speech generally are coming from corporations, universities and howling mobs of ostensible “leftists” (i.e. “red fascists” as Susan Sontag once characterized them). And of course we have the state and the power elite generally lined up against everyone.

By John Zmirak and Jason Jones

The riot in Charlottesville, Virginia is a stain on America. It’s the fruit of growing political hate at both ends of the spectrum. It’s also a failure of law and order. The authorities’ first job is to keep the peace, while  protecting the free speech rights even of the nastiest among us.

 

The pro-choice racists who marched in Charlottesville tempt people to silence them using their fists. We’ve felt that way often watching other flavors of pro-abortion pagans exercising their First Amendment rights. But using violence is wrong. It’s wrong against Republican congressmen and Antifa marchers, against neo-fascists and New Black Panthers, all alike. That’s the road to civil war. (Read this piece by liberal writer Peter Beinart on the reach, power, and virulence of the violent Antifa movement.)

We have a government in the first place to prevent strong disagreements from turning into violence. To keep people from getting killed in the streets. Not to routinely wave off the anti-speech violence of one rabid political faction (Antifa), then be shocked, shocked, when haters on the other side (the Alt-Right) decide to escalate. That’s what happens when the authorities giving orders to the police pick and choose which side gets to break the law.

That’s how Germany in the 1920s and 30s descended into chaos, then welcomed tyranny. We stumble down that same road when police and other authorities allow either side to use violence to intimidate or silence people.

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The Rise of the Violent Left Reply

Relevant observations from a Facebook commentor:

Say whatever else you want about antifa, they’re outlook on combat strategy and their tactics are more suited for socially softer places, like Europe. If this stuff keeps up they are going to get mowed down and slaughtered by the police state, to their and their supporters utter unsuspecting horror. It’s like their soft middle class backgrounds, insulated by consumer culture actually make them think this^ behavior is hardcore urban warfare or something… this is the United States, 2017. There are more guns than people here. Japan didn’t invade this country because there would be a “rifle behind every blade of grass” and police can extra-judicially murder you on site because they feel like it.

 

By Peter Beinhart

The Atlantic

Since 1907, Portland, Oregon, has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.

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Who Was Really at Fault in Charlottesville? 1

By Conrad Black

Almost everything about the Charlottesville riot was disgraceful except the conduct of the president. The move to take down the statue of General Robert E. Lee was nonsense. Lee has few rivals as the greatest general in American history (Grant, Sherman, MacArthur, and Eisenhower perhaps). He opposed the secession of Virginia from the Union but, as was common in the South then (and has not entirely died out in any region of the United States today),believed he owed his first loyalty to his state over the United States. He was less dedicated to the virtues of slavery than was Charlottesville’s most famous son, Thomas Jefferson, founder of the University, neighbor at Monticello, and, of course, author of the self-evident truth “that all men are created equal.”

This terrible incident started as a reasonable civic demonstration by Southern traditionalists who were not hostile to African-Americans but object to the shamed renunciation of a great American heroic and folkloric figure from “Gone With the Wind,” to The Band’s “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down,” to “The Dukes of Hazzard.” Robert E. Lee was not a precursor of Bull Connor, Strom Thurmond, James Earl Ray, or the unreformed George C. Wallace.

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The Alt-Right: Just One More Set of Imperialist Stooges? Reply

Derrick Broze has some common sense observations on why the alt-right has become worthless as an opposition force in North America:

“This is the dude you altright wannabe libertarians worship? This horrible man who ordered the deaths of thousands? This is the guy you like to invoke when you talk about throwing people out of helicopters? sad.

“On 11 September 1973 the combined Chilean Armed Forces (the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Carabineros) overthrew Allende’s government in a coup, during which the presidential palace, La Moneda, was shelled and Allende committed suicide.

Here Pinochet and Kissinger smile and enjoy each others company.”

On 11 September 1973 the combined Chilean Armed Forces (the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Carabineros) overthrew Allende’s government in a coup, during which the presidential palace, La Moneda, was shelled and Allende committed suicide.
Here Pinochet and Kissinger smile and enjoy each others company.

The Alt-Right Is At War With Corporate America Reply

Once again, whatever one thinks of alt-right ideology, this article is consistent with something I have noticed for a while, i.e. the convergence of a capitalism with left-wing ideology. I think this has to do with changes in the capitalist class that have taken place over the past few decades, where we now have a rising left-wing of the capitalist class that is rooted in the “newly rich,” and outside the traditional American plutocracy (i.e. the right-wing of the ruling class). In fact, I interpret much of the left/right red/blue divide at present as representing the fracturing of the capitalist class between its traditional upper class sectors, and a rising upper middle class and newly rich with a different set of social and cultural values that are shaped more by the 1960s than by 18th and 19th century America, and the efforts of both of these to rally constituents for themselves on the ground level (hence, the MSMBC/FOX dichotomy in the media).

By Vincent Law

AltRight.Com

To those who have not been keeping up to date on all the happenings post-Charlottesville, the most disturbing trends has been the great Shuttening of Alt-Right sites, accounts, and communications.

We’ve been getting attacked on all fronts from the Corporate leviathan. From Airbnb to Paypal, GoDaddy to Cloudfare, we are under attack by the bugmen running these corporations. Even TOR, the world’s largest enabler of child pornography and narco-trafficking decided to come out and denounce the Alt-Right.

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Charlottesville, Occupy Wall St And The Neoliberal Police State Reply

I am currently of the view that the alt-right has lost whatever potential it ever had to be a genuine radical force in domestic US politics. While the alt-right started out with a certain amount of promise seven or eight years ago, over time it has degenerated into reactionary 1920s style white nationalism, idiotic slogans and memes, support for Donald Trump, and apparently more recently, full-blown neo-Nazism. Sorry, folks, but that’s a serious dead end. However, this analysis of the “neoliberal police state” by an alt-rightist who is a veteran of other movements is actually quite accurate, irrespective of what one thinks of the ideological content of this piece.

By Ahad

AltRight.Com

The truth about Charlottesville is finally starting to come out, but there are still far too many in America who don’t yet seem to be aware of it, or of the magnitude of its implications.

The first violation of our basic civil rights occurred the week before, when our totally lawful permit to hold a rally protesting the planned removal of the Robert E. Lee statue, located Emancipation Park in the downtown, was unconstitutionally moved to another park located nearly two miles outside of town and out of sight of the Lee statue.

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I Don’t Care About Charlottesville, the KKK, or White Supremacy Reply

Some great points in this, particularly her points that most homicides are intraracial rather than interracial, that most people don’t want anything to do with this kind of racist/anti-racist fanaticism, and that the state is the real enemy of African-Americans.

Black people have scarier things on the horizon than the almost endangered species of white supremacy.

Trump Is More In Touch Than You Think Reply

It’s interesting to see where the general public actually stands in all this nonsense.

By Rod Dreher

The American Conservative

Results of the new NPR/PBS Marist poll are pretty surprising for we who have relied on the media to accurately report on the mindset of the country. It’s not that the numbers are good for Trump; they’re not. It’s that it hasn’t been nearly the disaster you would have expected. Here are the complete results. Highlights:

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A secessionist and a black nationalist pledge peaceful dialogue after Charlottesville 1

Wow. Actual smart people. Impressed.

In light of tensions and violence in Charlottesville, a secessionist and a black nationalist from Charleston, South Carolina, came together to make sure that what happened is not repeated in their hometown. Jonathan Thrower of the Charleston Black Nationalist Movement and James Bessenger of the South Carolina Secessionist Party join Hari Sreenivasan to discuss what led them to open a dialogue.

Charlottesville Once More: Left-Anarchist Keith Preston Discusses Reply

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Keith Preston, whose writing I always find interesting and challenging, wrote an excellent overview and analysis of what happened in Charlottesville last weekend. He does the impossible here: this is as dispassionate as it gets. Enjoy.

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[Update: This assessment of the events in Charlottesville was originally posted on Monday, August 14. As of August 16, I  have added some additional comments where indicated.]

[Updated: Additional comments have been added as of August 19.]

I’m still trying to find out more about what happened in Charlottesville on Saturday. But from reviewing news reports on the incident from across the ideological spectrum, and speaking with people on “both sides” who were present at the melee, here are my initial thoughts.

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An Alt Right Update 1

Because a few hundred people having an Un-PC theme party in the park threatens civilization, says antifa intellectual Matthew Lyons of the (ironically named) Ford Foundation-supported Political Research Associates. While I agree with much of this analysis, particularly points 2, 3, and 4 (with 1 being plausible and 5 being more often instigated by the antifa), here’s the money quote:

“And even a strong leader wouldn’t necessarily overcome the basic political differences separating Alt Rightists from their conservative fellow travelers. In the long run, if the Alt Right wants to coalesce with system-loyal rightists, it either has to win more people to its dream of right-wing revolution, or abandon it.”

In other words, there will be no right-wing revolution. The Alt-Right will become another Republican interest group, like the religious right before them.  Look for the Alt-Right/Alt-Lite configuration to become the xenophobe and white identity politics wing of the Republican Party along side the foreign policy hawks, neocons, economic conservatives, social conservatives, and the religious right. And like the religious right, the right-wing establishment will throw them an occasional rhetorical bone and do nothing for them. As a Facebook commentator has said:

Not sure though why the GOP will ally with guys who largely don’t go to church, are economically left, oppose US intervention, and make for the least loyal Republicans. Ain’t gonna happen.

If the religious right couldn’t even restore school prayer, ban abortion, or prevent homosexual marriage, there is no way the Alt-Right will be successful in halting immigration.  As the commentator said, it ain’t gonna happen.

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The ‘Unite The Right’ Rally Is Going To Be A Turning Point For White Identity In America 2

By Vincent Law

AltRight.Com

If you haven’t heard yet, let me inform you that the largest ethno-nationalist rally of the 21st century is being planned for August 12th in Charlottesville, Virgina.

Everyone who isn’t hiding out in Nigeria or Eastern Europe is going to be there.

Despite all the internal bickering and squabbling that has characterized the pro-White movement the last couple of decades, everyone has managed to put aside their differences to focus on this rally.

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This piece of pro-Israel legislation is a serious threat to free speech Reply

I can’t think of any time since the conspiracy trials of the late 1960s and early 1970s that there has been an effort to attack political freedom on this magnitude and in such a direct manner.

By David Cole and Faiz Shakir

Washington Post

David Cole is national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union. Faiz Shakir is national political director of the ACLU.

The right to boycott has a long history in the United States, from the American Revolution to Martin Luther King Jr.’s Montgomery bus boycott to the campaign for divestment from businesses serving apartheid South Africa. Nowadays we celebrate those efforts. But precisely because boycotts are such a powerful form of expression, governments have long sought to interfere with them — from King George III to the police in Alabama, and now to the U.S. Congress.

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As Portland Police Stand By, Alt-Right and Antifa Protesters Beat Each Other Bloody Reply

By Katie Shepherd

Williamette Week

The latest far-right march in Portland quickly staked a claim as the most violent.

The gathering of alt-right and white nationalist groups in Tom McCall Waterfront Park today immediately descended into brawling with antifascist counter-protesters that left several men bleeding and soaked in pepper spray.

Brawls at Tom McCall WAterfront Park on Aug. 6, 2017. (Daniel Stindt)
Brawls at Tom McCall WAterfront Park on Aug. 6, 2017. (Daniel Stindt)

The crowd at today’s “Patriot Prayer” event was small—no more than 100 people on each side. It was a shadow of the events of June 4, when thousands of counter-protesters surrounded an alt-right “free speech” rally held in the wake of a double slaying by a white supremacist on a Portland MAX train. Since then, “Patriot Prayer” marches have had diminished attendance.

But these rallies, with their barely cloaked threats of racist violence, still have the power to disquiet the city and intimidate its citizens—especially when they kick off with a brawl.

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