One thing that Marxist-Leninist fundamentalist Jason Unruhe regrettably ignores in this commentary is that Christian evangelicals tend to be disproportionately concentrated among the poor and working-class (including both whites and minorities) and are therefore the people most likely to be in “essential jobs” and less able to practice social distancing. Even if they are not in service industries like healthcare, grocery stores, and superstores, they are often workers who still regularly visit public restrooms, gas stations, convenience stores, etc. during the course of the workday, or who are still exposed to co-workers in warehouses or delivery centers, rather than simply working in their living room from a laptop. Also, a lot of poor households have less physical space but more people living there. Yes, a lot of clerics are hucksters, but tighten your supposed class consciousness, Jason.
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I can’t wait to see this hideous (((Conservative Evangelical Christian))) culture & the 1950s Judeo-Christian USA shithole burn into the ground for good riddance alongside the illiberal Fake Left Woke Identity Politicians & the Centrist Neoliberal Power Elite. We badly need a new real authentic Far Left. I totally agree with you, Keith Preston, that we need a new authentic far left right NOW, & it seems like I need to start doing my activism both online & in the real world as well. PEACEFUL ANARCHY FTW, & let’s start setting as many Autonomous Zones as possible.
I appreciate your focus on class Keith. As someone who grew up amongst poorer Evangelicals I can attest that the VAST majority are not pushy or even very ideological. Just trying to live and survive like the rest of us. In fact, a lot of them are more ‘woke’ than the secular cosmopolitan type. Lots of ‘mission trips’ to the poorest areas of the world, donations to food banks in Africa, homeless shelter volunteer work. No preaching, just helping, most the time.
Sort of how Mormons and Mennonite believe goofy shit, but it translates into some of the nicest people doing some of the dirtiest work with poor. Of course, the their own managerial class maybe be manipulating them, but so is ours!
Thats very true regarding Mormons & Mennonites, who are very nice people compared to the EVIL (((Fundamentalist Christian Zionist))) scum who only listen to the (((Televangelism))) Mind control & equally brainwashing (((Conservative News Media Outlets))). Pretty surprising since I came from a now diverse family tgat waa originally LDS.
“In fact, a lot of them are more ‘woke’ than the secular cosmopolitan type. Lots of ‘mission trips’ to the poorest areas of the world, donations to food banks in Africa, homeless shelter volunteer work. No preaching, just helping, most the time.”
I agree whole hardheartedly with this sentiment. For all the talk that gets thrown about christian evangelicals being racists/nativists a lot of them are internally and action wise are much more “woke” then a lot of the elites. Ayn rand said american business are the most persecuted minority but I actually think that conservative evagnelicals are. IF you take a conference of cavlinist preachers they almost always try to have a black guy there including the southern baptists. Look at this old panel from Liognier ministires run by RC sproul. If diversity matters then why don’t they get credit for it as well? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPtpgL8m6xA
On the topic of gay marriage the question is not are we going to put the gays in jail, rather, are we going to prosecute hate speech laws which alreadly occur in Europe. Abortion is a complicated issue which plenty of liberal minded people will make the case against and again, evangelicals have all lost on as well. I don’t understand why there is so much hatred to this group.
This is even leaving out the progressive or liberal christian churches who are outright woke/liberal. Even most conservative protestant churches have a “liberal” or woke constituency within them. I don’t understand the hatred toward conservative evangelicals. THe US is founded by people like this including jonathon edwards and roger williams.
They are only ‘woke’ in the sense that they want to wipe out every religion that isn’t Christianity which is in fact the most intolerant and vile cult ever dreamt up.
Who was who destroyed over 90% of Latin literature reducing the works of Livy to only a quarter of their length and Tacitus to only half and destroyed the ancient religious, secular, and philosophical wirings of the ancient world? Christians, who was it persecuted and even outright genocided the ancient faiths of Greece and Rome? Christians, who was it who burned the libraries of the Aztecs and Mayans? Christians.
Yet this is isn’t enough for them they send out missionaries like an vile cancer to destroy the ancient faiths of China, India and Korea to trample underfoot the faiths of glorious that had great civilisations while the Christians where destroying the remnants of the enlightened Greeks and Romans all because their jealous chimerical blood god.
Far from being persecuted this evangelical filth receive copious amounts of wealth to commit their crimes of destruction and cultural imperialism. In fact they are probably serving the interests of the U$ Empire by wiping out the indigenous faiths of the world because when a people have their culture extinguished they are more easily submitted to domination by imperial powers it’s the reason that the church was one of the mains wings of colonialism.
Whatever hatred they received is fully justified not only for vengeance for the great writings and noble ideas they have deprived humanity of but for the defence of ancient civilisations, religions and cultures they seek to destroy.
It is a good thing that evangelicals are being killed off regardless of what class they are, the Christian religion has been nothing more than a cancer upon the human race destroying culture after culture civilisation after civilisation. Evangelicals are one of the most vial strains of that Abrahamic cancer they have been sending missionaries like a plague of rats to try and destroy the ancient indigenous religions of the world. From India to China to the Africa using their money to wipe out history and culture, this is nothing short of Christian imperialism and destruction. It is a shame that Jason was so much of a pussy that he ended up deleting this video.
Don’t hold back now. Tell us how you really feel.
I find it interesting that the same view my public school elementary school teachers had 25 years ago is still considered radical and unique by some.
LOL. No kidding.
I assure you that men have been saying this about that vile cult for more than 25 years, in fact men have being exposing this bloody cult for as long as it existed, so who said anything about being radical and unique? This has been the view of enlightened people before the Christian blood cult took charge of Rome and destroyed its traditions, as well as after when men finally woke up the control of this desert cult.
Afterall it was Gaius Plinius Secundus who described Christianity as a “depraved and excessive superstition” and this is not to mention Celsus and emperor Julian the Great who refuted the Christian blood cult in their writings. Tacitus and Suetonius similarly viewed it as nothing more than superstitious cult even when talking about its persecution.
Later great thinkers also similarly exposed the vile cult of which I could mention Edward Gibbon, Voltaire, Marquis De Sade, Denis Diderot, and Nietzsche. This is because anyone with any sense can merely look at the fact that the majority of the great writings of antiquity were destroyed or have only survived in fragments, while the rambling scribbles of ignorant adharmic cults have survived in full and see that Christianity has been a blight upon humanity.
Your anecdote about primary school teacher does not change this and in fact I don’t even know what you were tying to say with that statement.
Maybe you should add a bit of how bad the history of slavery is too. Then your comment would be twice as courageous and insightful!
So, you presume me to be an SJW because I am against Christianity? I can assure that could not be farther from the truth, I despise SJWs as anyone sensible person should. The fact that I mentioned many European thinkers who SJWs would most likely consider to be ‘evil white men’ itself shows that I am not SJW. Would the average SJW know or care who any of these are? Most likely not. Though it is clear that you can only ‘argue’ by creating strawmen and caricatures of critics of Christianity and presenting them as truth, a typical fallacy employed by fundamentalists and morons (though is there really little difference between the two?)
You may not be a SJW, but you’re doing a lot of moral posturing, and high-horse riding, and demonizing. Evangelicalism is only a Christian trait?
Whats interesting about your view is that Christianity to me historically and currently gets accused of two things simultaneously and you personify both sides of this. First it gets accused of being the creator of slave morality by Nietzsche and the grandmother of Bolshevism by Spangler which I largely agree with but then there is also this criticism which gets thrown at it by like Betrand Russel that Christians aren’t very good Christians and are a bunch of warmongers. Second, Christianity in particular the catholic version (cortez/columbus) or the manifest destiny version of the US/Britain gets accused of being an imperial warmongering monstrosity which either version is very contra the slave morality view. I don’t really think William Tecumseh sherman, philip sheridan, Andrew Jackson, Westmoreland, McNamara, or Truman are effeminate slave morality slouches nor do I think many historical Catholics are either. They may not be amish but then again neither was many of the romans. The romans destroyed carthage, corinth, and Masada (as well as others). I don’t understand your dislike of Christianity/USA on the grounds it destroys societies/warmongerer and reverence for Rome considering Rome’s track record. Its also worth pointing out the Aztecs were destroyed by disease as well as Native allies ( cortez only had a very small number of soldiers). Did Christians destroy cultures? Sure but the culture of hating empire is probably largely originated in Christianity. Christianity (or more broadly the Abrahamic religions and there offshoots like Bolshevism) seems to animate/haunt both the opposition as well as the forces which the opposition are opposing in almost every place on earth.
The conquering nature of Christianity and its slave morality are not a contradiction, in fact the two go hand in hand. Many thinkers have shown that the morality of Christianity has been very useful for conquers and kings to keep the masses in line, to teach them to submit and to strip them of their heritage. This is part in parcel with Christianity’s drive to tear down any belief system that does not submit to the same chimerical god, in Nietzsche’s words a will to persecute.
As for the Romans they may have destroyed these civilisations, but this was partly out of self-defence, for example Carthage had attempted to destroy Rome and a great deal of Roman lives. It is no coincidence that the man who called for Carthage’s destruction, Cato the Censor, was a veteran of the Punic wars. Unlike Christianity though the Roman’s allow other religions to be practiced hence why the cult of Isis and Osiris became so popular. The Romans even built temples to foreign gods, something the Christians would have never allowed.
The Romans also kept the language of their enemy’s alive empire Claudius himself wrote a comprehensive history of Carthage and the Etruscans, he among other Roman authors also preserved the langue of the Etruscans. Though both Claudius’ Etruscan histories and dictionary as well as his history of Carthage have been lost thanks to Christianity. Writers such as Diodorus Siculus who were extremely critical to Roman brutality were still preserved by them and the traditions of conquered Greek States were still respected. This was shown by the way Roman Emperors consulted respected the local histories and legends of Greek temples, consulting them to settle disputes. Poets such as Eumelus of Corinth and Panyassis were also preserved despite their obvious linkage to Greek city states and Greek resistance to foreign conquest (Eumelus of Corinth linked many of his poems to Corinth and Panyassis had been executed for his resistance to Persian rule), their writings were lost when Christian era came about. Could you imagine the Christians being this tolerant of other religions and writings? When they preserved writings, it was only those that served the interests of their cult or because of its rhetorical style.
The ignorance of basic hygiene that caused mass outbreaks of disease in Europe was itself caused by Christianity; the Romans had been a very clean people with a good sense of the importance of hygiene as well as running water, sewers and bathhouses. Whereas Christianity closed down bathhouses and technologies such as running water, central heating etc. did not emerge for some time so hygiene became more of a rarity. The Aztec also saw the importance of hygiene, so it is no wonder that so many of their numbers died from dieses they had no contact with before. Though regardless of what caused the majority of the deaths of the Aztecs it was still the Spanish who destroyed their cities and burned their writings which they referred to as ‘satanic’.
Anti-imperialism was not something that the Christians invented, there have been anti-war and even anti-imperialist themes in the writings of many ancient writers from Isocrates to Aristophanes, there are as well anti-imperialist themes in the works of Tacitus which he attributes to speeches by those resisting Roman conquest. The same is true in Chinese works especially in Mohism and to some extent Taoism. Anti-imperialism as well as Communism would have emerged with or without Christianity, as an inevitable consequence of human relations and material conditions.
I am suspicious of your special pleading for the Romans and willingness to throw Christianity under the bus, so to speak, considering that its likely that Christianity is the historical culture or some heresy of yours. After all hating ones culture or for that matter ones self (a kind of self hatred) is the very thing which many people today have. Even Roman culture, say of Aristotle or Socrates, is fed through Aquinas’s interpretation. It is rather hard to escape christianity and its heresies/offshoots for better or worse. A lot of low church types/primitive types and early church types (tertullian) resent the fact that christians take too much from the Romans (ie what hath Jerusalem have in common with Athens..chapter 7). https://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/344tert.html
You also leave out the two other Abrahmic religinos which depending on who one asks have a rather large influence globally including Judaism and Islam. Discussing monotheism without discussism Judaism/Islam is like the most western centric (or catholic/protestant) move one could do. Half the Byzantium empire and its capitol was swallowed up by Islam. Furthermore, Columbus, as well as Spain itself faught a 10 year war with it and just got itself out underneath its rule (see Granada War and Reconquista) . This is a great essay (ill link here https://www.conradbastable.com/essays/mercantilism-a-new-path-to-wealth-through-imperfect-competition) which outlines mercantilism and some of the motives the Catholic Iberian peninuslar might of have which might have had. Treating Columbus/Cortez/Jackson/Westmoreland/Rumsfeld like boogieman while saying Cato the Censor is a paragon of civilziation and virtue is the most special pleading move one can do. Finally, Romans stopped reproducing from my understand which is why they lost out. If you read a book like shall the Fundamentalists inherit the earth then that explains a lot of who gets ahead and who gets behind.
“I am suspicious of your special pleading for the Romans and willingness to throw Christianity under the bus, so to speak, considering that its likely that Christianity is the historical culture or some heresy of yours. After all hating ones culture or for that matter ones self (a kind of self hatred) is the very thing which many people today have.”
Then have all the critics of Christianity and anti-Christians writers been self-haters? Hatred of Christianity is not a 21st phenomenon and goes far back, in fact writers such as the Marquis De Sade wanted to replace Christianity with a revived Roman polytheism, was that ‘self-hatred’? In fact, I would argue that anyone who praises a primitive cult that destroyed the great writings of antiquity in favour the scribblings of an Abrahamic that was never European to begin with is the greatest form of self-hatred.
Also, you have not said how my defence of Rome was wrong exactly.
“Even Roman culture, say of Aristotle or Socrates, is fed through Aquinas’s interpretation. It is rather hard to escape christianity and its heresies/offshoots for better or worse. A lot of low church types/primitive types and early church types (tertullian) resent the fact that christians take too much from the Romans (ie what hath Jerusalem have in common with Athens..chapter 7). https://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/344tert.html”
This only shows the extent of Christian destruction of the ancient world and that to the vile Christian even that was not enough.
“You also leave out the two other Abrahmic religinos which depending on who one asks have a rather large influence globally including Judaism and Islam. Discussing monotheism without discussism Judaism/Islam is like the most western centric (or catholic/protestant) move one could do. Half the Byzantium empire and its capitol was swallowed up by Islam.
“That is mostly because it is not the religions that is being discussed here, the article referred to evangelical Christians and not the other religions. Though it would be just as good if the ISIS/Deash subhuman were exterminated by Covid19 especially after their destruction of history and ancient libraries. Though less to blame on the Jews and Muslims overall, Jews have mostly been a persecuted group and for the many evils that Islam have committed they did a better job at preserving the writings of antiquity then the west. Plus, whom was it who first sacked and burned the libraries of the Byzantium empire? The Crusaders during the Fourth Crusade and this most likely lead to the weakening of Byzantium as well.”
“Furthermore, Columbus, as well as Spain itself faught a 10 year war with it and just got itself out underneath its rule (see Granada War and Reconquista) . This is a great essay (ill link here https://www.conradbastable.com/essays/mercantilism-a-new-path-to-wealth-through-imperfect-competition) which outlines mercantilism and some of the motives the Catholic Iberian peninuslar might of have which might have had. Treating Columbus/Cortez/Jackson/Westmoreland/Rumsfeld like boogieman while saying Cato the Censor is a paragon of civilziation and virtue is the most special pleading move one can do. Finally, Romans stopped reproducing from my understand which is why they lost out. If you read a book like shall the Fundamentalists inherit the earth then that explains a lot of who gets ahead and who gets behind.”
Yes, I understand the material and even practical reasons for their expansion and the need to control trade from a practical standpoint. However, the destruction of the cities and libraries is indefensible and would most likely not have taken place without the destructive mindset of Christianity. Also, since when did I mention Jackson, Westmoreland, or Rumsfeld by name you are strawmanning here and putting words into my mouth in an attempt to pain me as some ‘self-hating SJW cuck’. As for Cato the Censor he wrote the first work of Latin History, defended the Latin language from the dominance of Greek, he wrote theses on a wide variety of topics (law, religion, military etc) and he was one of the most accomplished orators of his day. If outbreeding is the way that Abrahamic cultists prevail it only shows how primitive their cults are.
I just realised that in placing the parts that I responding to in quotation marks I accidently place one of my own responses in quotation marks, if only there was a way to edit you own comments.
“As for the Romans they may have destroyed these civilisations, but this was partly out of self-defence…”
So I’m guessing you think American occupation of Afghanistan is also moral because it’s “partly out of self-defense”?
How come the convo always degrades into figuring out who’s evilest?
@ Billy.
Don’t put words into my mouth I think the war in Afghanistan (as well as Iraq) is a folly or a joke or terrible. The convo always degrades this way because that is the trajectory of the conversation. Someone says person X or organization Y is horrendous…. then somebody asks why do you think person X or organizatoin Y is terrible. Then they say “cultural destruction and persecution” then people come back and point out all the ways in which the Romans or Aztecs or Umayyad Caliphate or Ottomans whomever you putting on a pedestal are as bad if not worse then the usual stock villians (Columbus, Rumsfeld, or Jackson). What tends to get conveniently left out is the other villains including Wilson, FDR, and Lincoln and all these other characters as well because to a certain extent left anarchists and Marxists agree with Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR to a large extent. The literal Marx basically praised Lincoln et al. As far as Wilson is concerned he is remembered for the league of nations which would eventually become the UN which is the wet dream of Kant and liberal anarchists including Chosmky. Chomsky ends up being more or less totally on board with this program anyways. So the conversation goes this way because no one can explain to me why noam chomsky types like FDR, Wilson, and Lincoln (will more or less support them or look the other way on Wilson’s racial comments or the fact that FDR wanted to deindustrialize Germany) but won’t look the other way for Rumsfeld, LBJ, and Bush (as well as historically columbus). If some one can take a consistent anti imperialist approach then I might but this singling out of neoconservative evangelicals without taking into any account of any other group is why the conversation goes that way.
So when you imply I’m a moron, you are just following the normal trajectory of conversation. Got it. My original point is that this is boring and interesting as listening to my elementary school teacher preach at me. Absolutely meaningless, heard it before, yawn.
Oh, shit. It seems the reply thing screwed this all up. I was trying to talk to Erinyes. Sorry Tim!