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Contra: Johnson

This is a reply to Greg Johnson’s “Moses the Egyptian” at Counter-Currents.

By Todd Lewis

Mr. Johnson’s Moses the Egyptian is yet another ill thought-out screed against Christianity worthy of the atheistkult. In fact most of Mr. Johnson’s claims are taken verbatim from atheistkult in this and other screeds. For the sake of brevity I will deal with his completely ridiculous gloss on paganism.

“Ancient polytheism did not just promote religious tolerance. It also helped promote peace between nations in an age of constant warfare and bloodshed. The idea of a universal divine order served as a foundation for international law and peace between nations. ”

Despite the fact that you provide no evidence for this preposterous claim, there is absolutely no historical evidence to back it up.

Returning to the real world; Rome, Assyria, Egypt, Babylon all used paganism as (1) the political ideology of empire. Rome conquered the known world for the sake of Mars. Mongols conquered the known world for their sky god Tengri and (2) the basis of persecution of philosophers (Socrates) and Jews and Christians.

So any of you atheist traditionalists should not plan on visiting Ancient Athens or Ancient Rome in your time machine; you might have to drink hemlock.

The so called ‘tolerant pagans’ of Athens judicially murdered Socrates for being an ‘atheist’ or a gad fly; Romans murdered Jews and Christians. So much for a tolerant paganism. Diocletian sought the extirpation of Christianity and Titus and Vespasian the destruction of Judaism. The so-called ‘tolerant’ pagans of Rome murdered Druids, Jews and Christians for not worshiping Caesar. You can worship any God you want as long as you worship Caesar as well. Some freedom!

The near eastern pagan cultures of Egypt, Assyria and Babylon were authoritarian theocracies with Pharaoh as a god or the Mesopotamians kings as representatives of the Gods.

“The Hebews did not just destroy idols, they cut down sacred groves.”

I suppose that Greg now supports temple prostitution and human sacrifice? Those idols and groves were where babies were sacrificed to Baal. I did not know that destroying the instruments of murder was a crime. Most people know nothing about Canaanites for if they did little pity could be shown to them.

Back in the real world Christians were hard at work in humanizing the world and reducing conflict.

In the middle ages the peace and truth-of God was implemented, i.e. battles were not to be fought on holy days or Sunday and non-combatants were not to be killed, something pagans never really tried to do. The modern codes of conduct for modern nations were hammered out in the early modern era with the aid of Francisco de Vitoria and the School of Salamanca and Hugo Grotius. What comparable humanitarian efforts do we see in paganism? None. Even your much-vaunted republic was a Hebrew invention. See Petrus Cunaeus’ The Hebrew Republic.

Someone who pretends to be on the side of civilization, especially western civilization, should abandon paganism. Did the Druids, Norse and Germanic priests produce civilization? No. Ireland and Scotland only received civilization with St. Patrick and St. Columba. The Irish Christian civilization from 400-800 AD founded by St. Patrick was the prime mover in the preservation of classical knowledge and the foundations for the Carolingian Renaissance, which if it were not for the Viking raids might have ended the dark ages in the 10th century. Yet as the manifestation of the spirit of destruction you and CC defend and praise Norse culture at the expense of progressive medieval culture. What culture? What philosophy, what science, what architecture? What do you want, bloody eagles or illuminated texts? Would you have Baal’s baby ovens in the valley of Hinnom or cities of refuge? Lest you forget the scientific revolution was a product of Christian civilization not pagan. Paganism was a washed out failure that we should all be glad died in Europe about a millennium ago. Mr. Johnson and his Norse buddies at Counter-Currents would I presume have preferred an extension of the dark ages and a complete loss of classical knowledge.

If you are interested in racial survival then the pagans offer no hope. The Greeks could never stop fighting themselves. The Romans, Celts and Germans slaughtered hundreds of thousands of each other; more imperialism and white fratricide. Attila was only barely stopped by a Roman-Visigothic alliance, which then turned on itself after Attila died. Paganism is no more a panacea to white unity than any other religion.

Lastly we have those tolerant pagans and their human sacrifice from the valley of Hinnom and Baal’s baby ovens to Viking bloody eagles to the Irish Crom Cruach who demanded the first born. We see that the gods were hungry and the rivers of blood they left behind.

Clearly this is just intentional disinformation to deceive the gullible and defend an agenda that if it cannot be defended in truth and the light of day should not be defended at all.

I suggest that Mr. Johnson cease his visits to the sacred groves of Diana and his Blóts in Norse mead halls and before he embarrasses himself further on the question of Christianity based on his own ignorance, read up on what great a debt he owes to Christendom.

Reading list:

How the Irish Saved Civilization (Hinges of History)

By Thomas Cahill

How the West Won: The Neglected Story of the Triumph of Modernity

By Rodney Stark

The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success

By Rodney Stark

Atheist Delusions: The Christian Revolution and Its Fashinable Enemies

By David Bently Hart

The Story of Christianity

David Bently Hart

 

 

22 replies »

  1. I hope that anyone who reads this takes the time to actually read Mr. Johnson’s original review. In which at no point does Mr. Johnson assert that Pagans were without fault, only that they were comparatively less intolerant and blood thirsty than those who adopted the religion of Moses. The piece is a book review, and not intended to be a history of Pagan religious tolerance though I do wish that Johnson would write about this at some point because I think it would be beneficial to Pan Secessionists to have an understanding of how Pagan tolerance was able facilitate mutual cooperation between nations, rules of war, binding contractual agreements and the incredibly important concept of jus gentium.

    I would hope that he would start off with the Jewish Bible which unapologetically celebrates the compassion shown to the Jewish people by the Pagan King Cyros and then goes on to decree “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed…” and then introduces genocide to the world. Then contrast that with how the Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Mongols all tolerated a diversity of religious belief in their home States and vassal states and recognized the legitimacy of foreign faiths as attested to by every and all legitimate historians.

    As an Anarchist i am fully aware that states always have and always will use religion to justify oppression and imperialism. But I recognize that the most oppressive and imperialist states in history have been secular and even officially atheist. So I don’t see religion as the problem but the states misappropriation of religion. I personally believe that as we move forward and work towards realizing the dream of a stateless world that we may come to find that religions divorced from the state can offer a point of reference for individuals and communities to resolve conflict, enforce contracts and ensure liberties within and amongst divergent communities…so long as the religions in question are not Millat Ibrahim.

  2. Good comments, Rodney. I offered Greg space on this site for purposes of rebuttal, but he wasn’t interested.

    Todd brings a well articulated conservative Christian perspective to ATS, which we otherwise don’t have, and is not very common in anarchist circles. So his contributions are always welcome.

    My views on the relationship between politics and religion is basically the same as Jefferson’s. Whether my neighbor believes in many gods or no gods, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

    I think there is much of value in the critique of Christianity offered by the European New Right, but I also think a bit of nuance is necessary. George H. Smith, a Rothbardian anarchist and outspoken atheist, has an interesting take on the historic relationship between Christianity and the state: http://www.acton.org/pub/religion-liberty/volume-2-number-6/christianity-and-liberty

  3. On this subject, I wholly recommend:

    John Lamb Lash: http://www.amazon.com/Not-His-Image-Gnostic-Ecology/dp/193149892X

    Lash gives a stinging and very well presented critique of Abrahamism..specifically the Zaddakite sect!

    He argues for a Gnostic awakening incorporating Gaia theory.

    I interpret this as a fundamental rejection of MultiCulturalism as it argues for a deeper understanding of human anthropology as opposed to the Communist model we have now.

    • As usual every thing I’ve read is written by people who are completely ignorant of history and logic know one as anything useful to say. Accept Keith of course, who is still a gentleman. Maybe Rothbard has been forgotten:

      “It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.”

      I guess ignorance of history, logic and reason is ok too.

      Nobody has, nor might I add able to refute the facts of history that I have presented. Before you pretend to know something maybe you should actually learn something.

  4. “In which at no point does Mr. Johnson assert that Pagans were without fault, only that they were comparatively less intolerant and blood thirsty than those who adopted the religion of Moses.”

    I fully understand that. And Greg Johnson’s claim is prima facie ridiculous. Caesar, in Gaul, boasts of killing a million Gauls, enslaving a million Gauls and driving into exile a million Gauls. Even the book of Joshua cannot account for that many people. In the siege of Jerusalem (70 AD) the Romans killed half a million people far more than the 90,000 killed by Persians and Jews in 614 and the 70,000 killed by Crusaders. Paganism is more violent that the Mosiac faiths. Women and Children were repeatedly sold into slavery by pagans, during the Middle Ages the Catholic church sought to restrict war to combatants and leave women and children safe, no pagan empire or philosopher argued for that, as far as I know. The fact is that the pagans did not afford religious toleration see the Roman Persecution of Jews and Christians.

    Religious toleration is an idea that originated from Christianity not pagans or enlightenment moderns.

    ” But already in early Christian discourse, the term is applied to the challenge of coping with religious difference and conflict. The works of Tertullian and Cyprianus are most important in that respect.

    Within the Christian framework, a number of arguments for toleration have been developed, based on charity and love for those who err, for example, or on the idea of the two kingdoms and of limited human authority in matters of religious truth, i.e., in matters of the divine kingdom. The most important and far-reaching justification of toleration, however, is the principle credere non potest nisi volens, which holds that only faith based on inner conviction is pleasing to God, and that such faith has to develop from within, without external compulsion. Conscience therefore must not be and cannot be forced to adopt a certain faith, even if it were the true one.”

    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/toleration/

    Whether Christians have always lived up to these high standards is irrelevant when it comes to ascribing the origin of the idea.

    “I would hope that he would start off with the Jewish Bible which unapologetically celebrates the compassion shown to the Jewish people by the Pagan King Cyros and then goes on to decree “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed…” and then introduces genocide to the world. Then contrast that with how the Persians, Greeks, Romans, and Mongols all tolerated a diversity of religious belief in their home States and vassal states and recognized the legitimacy of foreign faiths as attested to by every and all legitimate historians.”

    I fully acknowledge that the Persians under Cyrus and the Achaemenid’s were religiously tolerant, but Greg being a racialist would not consider the Persians his people. So they fall out of his range of evidence. The tolerance of Cyrus seems to have been a flash in the pan, for the later Persian dynasties the Sassanids, for example, who were also Zoroastrians persecuted Pagans and Christians. Zoroastrianism itself is not properly pagan, it is either monotheist or dualist depending on the period. Paganism tends to evoke animism or polytheism or even pantheism.

  5. This is all Bullshit. Here’s the stone cold truth. If any group has the power to persecute another without immediate and substantial consequence they will. It does not matter one single fuck what the justification for that persecution is, might be ideological, might be religious, might be racial whatever.

    That is the nature of humanity, the best we can hope for is that we can level the playing field so that if a group decides to assault another then it makes that decision in the certain knowledge there will be a price. If any particular group is willing to expend its blood and gold to destroy another then there is probably a sensible reason for it. Some groups should be destroyed, some invite it. It is not our job to invent some artificial philosophic rationale as to why the law of nature should be suspended in order to preserve what can not preserve itself.

  6. “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed…” and then introduces genocide to the world. ”

    This fetish with the OT ‘genocide’ is a transparent farce for libertarians, liberals and anarchists moan and bitch about tolerance and then support the Roe v Wade genocide. The founding myth of Modernism and Liberalism is the genocide of the Vendee Catholics, the genocide of the Ukranian Kulaks and the Genocide of Greeks living in Turkey by Ataturk. Even Keith Preston said, in one of his podcasts, that the French and Russian revolutions were net positives, because the tore down traditional institutions. Well lets hope we don’t have a third net positive revolution, our species may not survive it.

    “If any group has the power to persecute another without immediate and substantial consequence they will. It does not matter one single fuck what the justification for that persecution is, might be ideological, might be religious, might be racial whatever.”

    Yeah right that’s why you live in the UK and not North Korea or the Sudan? Which of these three nations would you rather live in the US, Cuba or Saudi Arabia? I think I know your answer. The fact is the best places to live in the world, are those places where Christianity is or was present. Nobody was\is lining to live in the secular utopias of the USSR, GDR, Hungary, PRC and North Korea. Everyone knows that atheism sucks, because they vote with their feet and the migration is all one way, out! Nor are there too many, westerners, who want\ed to live in the Taliban’s Afghanistan, Ayatollah’s Iran or Saudi Arabia. If you want to see Paganism in action you could have lived in Liberia or Sierra Leon where pagans from the hinterland were raping, looting, cannibalizing and sacrificing people. Liberia or Ireland? Hmmmm?

    “That is the nature of humanity, the best we can hope for is that we can level the playing field so that if a group decides to assault another then it makes that decision in the certain knowledge there will be a price.”

    Not true, for example look at the modern transformation of General Butt Naked (GBN) into Joshua Milton Blahyi (JMB). I’ll give you a hint, liberalism, anarchism, secularism and modernism had nothing to do with it. Only the gospel of Christ can turn a cannibal-witch doctor into saint. One can find his story here: http://www.generalbuttnakedmovie.com/ There is also a good VICE show about JMB here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo.

    If we take Pearson’s advice we would still have Durids in Ireland offering up Children to Crom Cruach, or we could choose St. Patrick and transform Ireland into the hub of western civilization. No offense I’ll choose the Patrick Plan over the Pearson Plan.

    • Oh come on Todd. This is a serious (ish) board, the rhetorical technique of cherry picking “best” of one thing and comparing to the “worst” examples of another is well beneath you.

      It can hardly be said that those societies which have enjoyed Xianity have been any more or less violent and intolerant than those who have not, for some reason, been so blessed. Yeah Moctezuma was a cunt but then again Gustavus Adolphus wasn’t exactly coy when it came time to take a few heads. Let’s not even talk about Cortez compared to whom OBL was a buffoonish amateur.

      You mention Saudi A. Well that disproves your own point because Westerners are queuing at the border to get in. Why? For the same reason that people are trying to row lilos across the Med. It’s not because the West is nice and liberal or because it has a Christian heritage; its because its got a shit load of cash.

      Take Patrick’s Ireland, when I was a child and would sit down to watch the BBC News hoping for a cool earthquake or war or something and the lead story was “IRA/UDA do something fucked up again” I’d just turn off the set. Because that shit was so common it was boring, they may have well as reported “clouds in the sky over Belfast”. The whole history of that miserable island is soaked in blood and Christianity is one of the major reasons why.

      Sure Christianity seems to have lost its collective mind and started believing its own BS lately, but that is by no means the norm. And nor has the result of that been particularly positive, Europe is more fucked as a result now than it has been since the Siege of Vienna or the Battle of Tours or that sick day Subutai came out of the Carpathians. Personally I’d prefer it if Europe’s Christians went back to setting fire to bishops over when the Easter bunny is due to drop my chocolate egg off or whatever.

      I’ve got nothing against Christians, or Pagans, or any other BS cult. I don’t even particularly care what they might have done to each other and themselves in the past or might do in the future. I expect everyone to be an asshole because assholery is the natural irreversible condition of man. Moreover the biggest assholes of all time, in a separate elite league of assholes all of their own, have invariably been those who did not recognize this great and eternal truth and tried to do something about it. Whether they were Christians or pagans or progressives or commies or Muslims or fascists or anything else their attempts to make a “better” world have unfailingly resulted in the exact opposite.

      The question is “what an we do about this?”. Well we can either pray that Sweet Baby J comes riding to the rescue and turns all the fanatics into soup kitchen volunteers or we can try and find a way of restricting their access to sharp implements such as massive industrial states. That way even if they do suddenly get seized by a desire to immanentize the eschaton (again) at least we stand a reasonable chance of sorting that shit out before Europe is reduced to rubble and bones (again). That’s why I strongly recommend the dismantling of the centralized state to anyone who doesn’t think that whatever BS is in someone elses head is worth dying for.

      That’s not the main reason I support emancipation though, I’m not one of those faggots whose primary driver is an absolute determination to avoid war at all costs. I merely think that however people die it might be a nice idea if they got to live first.

      • “This is a serious (ish) board, the rhetorical technique of cherry picking “best” of one thing and comparing to the “worst” examples of another is well beneath you.”

        That was a joke right?

        Lets look at the best of Christianity (1) the Scientific Revolution, (2) Humanitarism, (3) hospitals, (4) the flowering of European art (classical music, baroque paintings etc.), and (5) industrial revolution. No other civilization in history has ever matched that. Period.

        ” It’s not because the West is nice and liberal or because it has a Christian heritage; its because its got a shit load of cash.”

        Why does it have cash, you are only begging the question. Cash is Christianity’s heritage ever heard of the protestant work ethic? The industrial revolution was European event, which was rooted in the ethic of work found in the monastic orders and protestant revolution. Have you ever read Rothbard on the scholastics and Weber on the Protestants. Brain fart anyone?

        ” I don’t even particularly care what they might have done to each other and themselves in the past or might do in the future. I expect everyone to be an asshole because assholery is the natural irreversible condition of man.”

        Because you are a cynic and you make the mistake of assuming all people are sinks. Just because your an a-hole don’t make the mistake of thinking the rest of us are.

        The 20 centuries of Christian history was the greatest civilization in history. Period.

        If you are not a totalitarian humanist you and your drone allies really do a bad job of convincing me you are not,.You sound like Dawkins. Like a good TH you are seeking to destroy the greatest civilization in history. Their is more Marcuse in you than Proudhon.

        You guys just suck. Like the Nietzsche untermenschen jealous of the supermen of the west and in your ignorance and rage seek to destroy your betters. What has atheism or anarchism ever produced? Besides mass graves bupkis.

        • “Lets look at the best of Christianity”. OK

          “(1) the Scientific Revolution.” Christianity’s record on this is not particularly good, most of the opposition to scientific advance, from Copernicus to Darwin, came from Christians who refused to have their book contradicted by, like, fact. The record of pagans such as the Ancient Greeks and even Islam is comparatively good. It’s hard to see any connection at all between the “Scientific Revolution” and Christianity, the latter has no predisposition towards science, empiricism or rationality at all and generally is hostile towards all three.

          “(2) Humanitarism.” OK if we ignore the actual practice of Christians who are usually no more or less altruistic than any other group, (even the “good Samaritan” wasn’t an Xian which kinda proves the point) then we could argue that the general inclination of Christian theology is towards general benevolence.

          Which turns out in practice to be a really poor attitude to have if you are in any way concerned with the good of your own people. This is why the “alt/new right” have actively rejected Christianity and its secularized forms.

          “(3) hospitals.” Institutions specifically tasked with provision of medical care are present is any complex society and pre-date Judaism never mind Christianity.

          “(4) the flowering of European art (classical music, baroque paintings etc.)” Well yeah sure the Catholic Church, which may or not be a Christian institution, has been a patron of the arts. But so what? Every religion everywhere has been a patron of the arts. I don’t see anything particularly great about European Art, if I happen to have been born a Chinese I dare say I’d find Chinese art to be superior. It’s just a cultural thing.

          “(5) industrial revolution.” Hard to see a connection to Christianity, it’s not like Jesus was talking about subdividing labour into compartmentalized specialist workers operating under the direction of a single coordinating force on the sermon on the mount. Nor, if we take the incorrect popular conception of the IR rather than the actual, are there any plans for a steam engine in Luke.

          Could of happened anywhere, at anytime, had the right motive forces been in place. Sadly enough for Europe it happened here.

          “Have you ever read Rothbard on the scholastics and Weber on the Protestants”. Can’t say I have, however seems to me that say the Chinese are as industrious as any Calvinist you could find. Also seems fairly unlikely that Monasticism produced conditions which were favorable to industrialization. It’s generally agreed that England was the font of the IR and we kinda had a shortage of monasteries at the time, what with Ol’ Henry and all that. Spain on the other hand had more than its fair share and notably failed to crack industrialization, well, at all outside Barcelona.

          “The 20 centuries of Christian history was the greatest civilization in history. Period.” Really? Kinda got off to a shaky start as a tiny cult in the Empire for the first 3 of those, then we have 10 of “Dark Ages”, which I think sounded quite cool. The the Medieval for about 5, high point of Christianity, low point of everything else. And finally the last 3 resulting in the utter destruction of Western civilization.

          Greatest civilization eva? I wouldn’t want to make that case against the Japanese or Chinese or even Egyptians or Persians even on the criteria your using. On sensible ones I’d expect to struggle against the indigenous Americans and just about anyone else. Seems to me that in the Civ game the object is to stay on the pitch, and if that is the case it looks like the “Christan West” is about to be knocked out in the group stage.

          But Todd, here’s the thing; you’re conflating Western civilization with Christianity and I just don’t think that is fair to either. Christianity has been dead in Europe for at least a century and their has been little noticeable effect of its trajectory. Before that time Europe was nominally Christan, but I would guess that 99% of “European Xians” that ever existed knew less about the doctrines of Christianity than I do about Zoroastrianism. To them Jesus and Mary and the rest operated on basically the same principles as Zeus or Jupiter or Thor. “Save me Jebus!” and that is about it.

      • “Oh come on Todd. This is a serious (ish) board, the rhetorical technique of cherry picking “best” of one thing and comparing to the “worst” examples of another is well beneath you.”

        I agree, but you and yours are not cable of understanding anything more than that.

        You really need to get your head out of where the sun don’t shine. I might offer you some Vaseline, but it might not work.

  7. Toddy, we’ve all heard you on the radio show. You sound like a 12 year old. Everything you say is something you’ve read in a book. There was an article published on TAC about liberalism and empire…take a read of it. Most — if not all — so called “radicals” are liberals. You take the stance of the puppy wrapped in warm blankets while ATS is seeking wolves wrapped in bullets. Grow a pair, man.

    I am an atheist but even a site such as Those Catholic Men puts forth something of substance that has a true strain of radicalism and intimidation in it. Take heed.

  8. “Toddy, we’ve all heard you on the radio show. You sound like a 12 year old. Everything you say is something you’ve read in a book. There was an article published on TAC about liberalism and empire…take a read of it. Most — if not all — so called “radicals” are liberals. You take the stance of the puppy wrapped in warm blankets while ATS is seeking wolves wrapped in bullets. Grow a pair, man. ”

    As the late Meir Kahana said: When a Dog barks at you, you don’t bark back.

    I’m not Doctor Doolittle.

  9. Todd, Rodney, Spencer, and Maxx:

    Are you guys interested in doing a podcast debate on these topics?

    This gets into some interesting historical questions, as well as the atheist vs Christian vs pagan debates found in alt right, libertarian, and leftist circles alike. There might be a significant audience for this.

    • Only if Todd’s sky god agrees to join in also.

      I thought this site was suppose to unite various paradigms against the state? Toddy mostly harps on asshole sex and evil pagans. Can’t you find a christian who isn’t half insane (I suppose all of them are insane but you get what I’m saying) and who is actually interested in pan-secessionism rather than telling everyone how wrong they are? I’m sure there are a couple out there.

      • That’s a fancy way of wussing out. If you want to reduce ATS to another echo-chamber/mental circle-jerk, be my guest, all the better for the State. As to your comment regarding “ATS is seeking wolves wrapped in bullets,” I say this: whenever someone associated with ATS blows up a government building or formally secedes from a national regime and owns up to it, I will take you seriously. If you can’t take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. There is an argument against your position and its potential futility – get over it. Instead of halting discussion with lame-ass memes and delusions of grandeur, use this discussion with Todd as an opportunity to sharpen your dull weapons (and mind).

        “Everything you say is something you’ve read in a book. ”

        Are you serious? That was supposed to be an insult? The stench of anti-intellectualism in that one statement is almost Maoist. GTFO.

        • “That’s a fancy way of wussing out.”

          It’s a not so fancy way of winning a “debate” against a god worshipper who I have no interest in even giving the time of day to.

          “whenever someone associated with ATS blows up a government building or formally secedes from a national regime and owns up to it, I will take you seriously.”

          Me seriously? I’m not an anarchist and I don’t believe in the goals of this site. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand it’s purpose and the type of language they use. And you obviously missed the humor in the post.

          “Instead of halting discussion with lame-ass memes and delusions of grandeur, use this discussion with Todd as an opportunity to sharpen your dull weapons (and mind).”

          I’m halting the “discussion” because the only place Todd belongs is under my feet as door mat. There is no discussion and never was and never will be. Besides, Keith probably wouldn’t even pay me.

          “Are you serious? That was supposed to be an insult? The stench of anti-intellectualism in that one statement is almost Maoist.”

          OH NO, NOT MAOIST!!!…. I find people who do nothing but read and constantly quote other people who were smarter than them rather pathetic. You don’t? That’s nice. Get outside someday.

          Are you Todd’s dad? Did he call you down to the basement and show you the post some mean man made? lol.

  10. “Only if Todd’s sky god agrees to join in also.”

    Well, I guess you’ll have to ask Todd to put in a request.

    What about you, Rodney? Interested in participating in this?

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