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Rednecks with Guns and Other Anti-Racist Stories and Strategies

An interesting group whose leader was interviewed by the left-anarchist Denfenestrator.

They’re almost there.The only criticism I would have of this group is they haven’t yet got to the point where they reject ideological univeralism. Rather than try to convert Tea Partyers to their own ideology, it would be more constructive to simply identify what they have in common, leave the rest to the side, and agree to handle irreconcilable differences through voluntary association where possible, and mutual self-separation and peaceful co-existence otherwise.

The discussion thread that follows includes these comments about ATS:

What about the less orthodox National Anarchists?  You know, the ones that pretend to be just pragmatic anti-statists who want to assemble all wiling parties to smash our common enemy.  Looking at the blog Attack The System, whose slogan is “Pan-secessionism against the empire”, we find an extensive list of recommended websites.  These include Occidental Quarterly, Alain de Benoist, Tomislav Sunic, Folk and Faith (Christian Identity group),Texas Nationalist Movement, and Youth for Western Civilization.  It’s editor, Keith Preston, argues that a promising project for jump starting the Revolution would be a Julius Evola study group.

So there we have it.  The living with parents, the semi-activist, and the “maybe if I say I like the American Indian Movement too you’ll take me seriously” wings of the National Anarchist movement are all rooted in and continually engaged with fascist, racist thought.

Again, these comments reflect a fixation on ideological purity. The goal of pan-secessionism is to move past such fixations, not by expecting others to abandon their own ideals, as much as focusing on how to attack common enemies while handling genuine differences in a constructive way.

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  1. Has the left learned the moral of Heathers? Are they truly sorry to have kicked the white working class to the curb to be in the in crowd? And will they now take their God given mandate to guide our destiny seriously?

  2. It looks like something is starting to happen on the anarchist Left. First the blow up between Crimethinc and APOC and now “anarcho-rednecks.” Both APOC and Redneck Revolt are only about half a step away from the ATS position.

  3. Yes something is going on, I actually think it is quite possible that something very similar to NA/Pan-seccessionism will come up out of the left. I think it will have a lot of negative attributes and bad aspects (primarily the old guard leadership trying to keep their base) and bad press (Jonestown) but I think it will also have a lot of really good things and good people too and may actually finally be a left true to its proposed ideals. I’m a very big fan of Second Vermont Republic folks and hope that it is just the beginning of the lefts long march back to legitimacy.

  4. This is good stuff. Reminds me of when Howard Dean said he wanted to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks.

    Don’t mind the anti-racist shit either, seeing as a large chunk of so-called rednecks mainly support statism when it’s seen as protecting them from the darkies (immigration, death penalty). Telling people they’re supporting racism isn’t exactly the best way to get them to listen, but these people seem fairly successful so far.

    These include Occidental Quarterly, Alain de Benoist, Tomislav Sunic, Folk and Faith (Christian Identity group),Texas Nationalist Movement, and Youth for Western Civilization. It’s editor, Keith Preston, argues that a promising project for jump starting the Revolution would be a Julius Evola study group.

    I actually kinda agree with the sentiment behind this. I’m not reflexively anti-right, and I’ve learned a lot from ENR-type authors, but as far as building anarchist societies goes they’re effectively useless. Trying to satisfy every marginal group under the sun is the key to failure. If national anarchists are satisfied with statelessness so much for the better, but I don’t see any effort on their part to cooperate with other anarchists or anybody who doesn’t share their racial separatist ideology.

  5. “Telling people they’re supporting racism isn’t exactly the best way to get them to listen, but these people seem fairly successful so far.”

    That’s the only real criticism of the Redneck Revolt I would have. It has too much of a proselytizing “Sinner, Repent!” flavor. If they focused more on identifying common areas of agreement rather than trying to correct for ideological impurities they would likely get a wider audience and some of the areas of disagreement might fall by the wayside.

    “I’m not reflexively anti-right, and I’ve learned a lot from ENR-type authors, but as far as building anarchist societies goes they’re effectively useless.”

    The ENR is a fairly diverse body of thought. Some of it is more helpful than others. I agree with its efforts to create an alternative philosophical/ideological framework beyond Marxism, fascism, or mainstream political ideologies. Much of its critique of the status quo resembles my “totalitarian humanism” thesis, which was in fact partially influenced by the ENR, with some modifications. De Benoist’s ideas on “federal populism” and communitarianism are fairly close to my own “anarcho-pluralist” outlook, though I am far less sympathetic to some of the ideas in ENR thought that advocates a new centralized European empire. I approach the ENR the same way I approach other perspectives I consider to be influences without necessarily buying the whole package.

    “Trying to satisfy every marginal group under the sun is the key to failure. If national anarchists are satisfied with statelessness so much for the better, but I don’t see any effort on their part to cooperate with other anarchists or anybody who doesn’t share their racial separatist ideology.”

    What we need are projects that lots of people from different backgrounds can participate in regardless of these kinds of ideological differences. The Ron Paul thing, though a little less radical than what I would like, is a good example. He’s attracted sympathy from the multiple camps of the radical right, some mainstream conservatives, some liberals, some antiwar leftists, an usually high following among blacks for a Republican, college students, etc. That’s what I would like for the regional independence movements I envision to ultimately be. On one hand, secession from the central government and forming an independent micronation or city-state is about as radical an idea as there is. It’s genuinely revolutionary in that it involves the de-legitimizing and demise of established political authority. But the participants in such projects could come from all over the place phil0sophically. My guess is that the proliferation of such movements would involve people ranging from nutters who think the world is being manipulated by UFOS and space aliens to people with otherwise middle of the road political views who are tired of the bullshit.

  6. “If national anarchists are satisfied with statelessness so much for the better, but I don’t see any effort on their part to cooperate with other anarchists or anybody who doesn’t share their racial separatist ideology.”

    I don’t think that’s necessarily true. A lot of NAs have participated in the anti-globalization movement, for instance, and the NA groups on the European continent seem closer to the left-anarchists in philosophy and practice than many of the NA groups in the English speaking countries. Case in point: http://www.facebook.com/pages/RAVENS-BANNER-COLLECTIVE/221102414601908

    The New York NA is less explicitly racialist than some of the other groups: http://nata-ny.org/blog/?p=183 I am not personally a racial separatist and they collaborate with me. As for other anarchists, well, they haven’t exactly gone out of their way to be friendly towards the NAs when the latter have made positive gestures.

    One reason why I prefer “pan-secessionism” or “anarcho-pluralism” as the term for my views is that these concepts do not depend on one embracing either orthodox libertarianism or some kind of ethno-nationalism per se. For instance, one could be a socialist or a liberal-multiculturalist and also be a pan-secessionist or anarcho-pluralist. There are some such people in my camp. Also, I know people who identify as both left-anarchists and national-anarchists in varying ways.

  7. “Telling people they’re supporting racism isn’t exactly the best way to get them to listen, but these people seem fairly successful so far.”

    The Young Patriots were actually quite successful in organizing urban Appalachian communities. While they would throw in anti-racist rhetoric (especially to defend their use of the Confederate flag on their Black berets…next to a button of Huey Newton) they were much more successful than the atypical White liberal SDS or YDS because they were able to relate their own demographic on a cultural and practical level. Even to the point where typical Rednecks would state “If I stick with the Black Panthers, I know they’ll stick with me.” (Isn’t that a crazy concept?) That being said, there were several instances where Patriots would oppose family members running off to join the KKK, (I think in an interview, Panther Bobby Lee even stated one or two Patriots was killed for his beliefs) but that didn’t stop the YPO or the Patriot Party from having a massive amount of success throughout the Midwest.

    “The New York NA is less explicitly racialist than some of the other groups: http://nata-ny.org/blog/?p=183 I am not personally a racial separatist and they collaborate with me. As for other anarchists, well, they haven’t exactly gone out of their way to be friendly towards the NAs when the latter have made positive gestures.”

    I’m not a racial separatist, either. But I still don’t mind collaborating with members of the NOI since, well, they oppose the US government and own property in the hood. Simple as that.

    “First the blow up between Crimethinc and APOC and now “anarcho-rednecks.” Both APOC and Redneck Revolt are only about half a step away from the ATS position.”

    Well… technically, aren’t they already with the ATS position? We are a vanguard.

  8. Well…. since everyone else is coming out of the closet as non-racial separatists… neither am I!

    Here’s an American Indian Leftist view on race (which is a rather radical position, among Natives left or right.)

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/07/steve-russells-new-book-sequoyah-rising/

    “It’s easy to forget, particularly after growing up “Indian,” that Indians had no such concept of themselves before being “discovered.” Most tribes had a word for “us” and a word for “not us.” And before white people, they also had a way for “not us” to become “us.” If that were not so, we would have been more inbred than European royals by the time European royals started quarreling over which of them owned us.”

    “Citizenship by blood quantum alone is a guarantee of physical extinction. Know the tribal population, the required blood quantum, birth and death rates, rate of exogamous marriage, and the date of extinction is easily calculated. This is not opinion. This is arithmetic.”

    My tribe, in particular, is well known for extensive adoptions of whites and other Indians into our clans. Racially, (as far as there is such a thing!) we’re a diverse bunch made up of many different ancestral tribes, and culturally assimilated tribes. Its our strength, in my opinion. In our way, you can “earn” your way into the tribe, if you show that you are worthy.

  9. It’s not necessary to develop elaborate race-separatist ideologies that often become the equivalent of a religious fundamentalism. The evidence is overwhelming that race conflict of the kind we have in North America is the creation of the state itself, first through the establishment of America’s old racial caste system and then when that failed, the creation of the totalitarian humanist state of which compulsory integration is a core feature.

    The sociological evidence is also overwhelming that people group off into “tribes,” where likes go with likes. Tribes are not races per se. As Vince points out, a tribe can emerge among peoples of mixed racial ancestries. The key is to remove the state from racial and ethnic matters altogether, and let people form whatever kinds of tribes they want according to the principle of free association. That should also solve most of the problems with immigration as well, if immigration standards are based on meritocratic values maintained by individual tribes and communities.

    Both Totalitarian Humanists and Nazis would not be satisfied with this, of course…but too bad for them.

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