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	<title>Comments on: The &quot;Purge&quot; Revisted: Anarcho-Leftoids Unite in Hatred Against Keith Preston</title>
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	<description>Pan-Anarchism Against the State, Pan-Secessionism Against the Empire</description>
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		<title>By: LeraJenkins</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeraJenkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What touching words :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What touching words <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to say that you should consider quieting down your front page. There is too much material there. If you&#039;re posting long essays, try limiting it to one at a time with short excerpts to previous ones -- WordPress is already set up to do this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to say that you should consider quieting down your front page. There is too much material there. If you&#8217;re posting long essays, try limiting it to one at a time with short excerpts to previous ones &#8212; WordPress is already set up to do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4023</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good to see the statists can still count on us to eat ourselves. We do their work for them very well.
As I said on longrod&#039;s site, this fight is completely meaningless, and a waste of time. KP, many of the things you say about leftoids strikes me as true, particularly:
&lt;blockquote&gt;that modern “cultural leftism,” “multiculturalism,” “political correctness,” “cultural Marxism” or whatever one wishes to call it is, like orthodox Marxism and American-style liberal-progressivism before it, a type of secularized, pseudo-Christian moralism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Life&#039;s too short and this movement&#039;s too inconsequential for fights like this.
KP, you&#039;re OK with me and so are the folks on the other side of this. We should try to remember that we&#039;re all brothers-in-arms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see the statists can still count on us to eat ourselves. We do their work for them very well.<br />
As I said on longrod&#8217;s site, this fight is completely meaningless, and a waste of time. KP, many of the things you say about leftoids strikes me as true, particularly:</p>
<blockquote><p>that modern “cultural leftism,” “multiculturalism,” “political correctness,” “cultural Marxism” or whatever one wishes to call it is, like orthodox Marxism and American-style liberal-progressivism before it, a type of secularized, pseudo-Christian moralism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Life&#8217;s too short and this movement&#8217;s too inconsequential for fights like this.<br />
KP, you&#8217;re OK with me and so are the folks on the other side of this. We should try to remember that we&#8217;re all brothers-in-arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick T. Long</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roderick T. Long]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have retaliated. It’s a two-way street.&quot;

So if you have a feud with a particular LGBT person, you use language that insults LGBTs generally?  Even leaving aside what&#039;s ethically dubious about that, do you see how that might conflict with alliance-building?  It&#039;s called collateral damage ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have retaliated. It’s a two-way street.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if you have a feud with a particular LGBT person, you use language that insults LGBTs generally?  Even leaving aside what&#8217;s ethically dubious about that, do you see how that might conflict with alliance-building?  It&#8217;s called collateral damage &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Befreer</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Befreer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There are presumably some social anarchists that don’t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.&quot;

Common ownership is individual EQUAL access opportunity rights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are presumably some social anarchists that don’t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Common ownership is individual EQUAL access opportunity rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Kinsella</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2009/05/27/the-purge-revisted-anarcho-leftoids-unite-in-hatred-against-keith-preston/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephan Kinsella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 04:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TGGP: &quot;I guess you’re right, Kinsella.&quot;

Ain&#039;t no guess about it.

&quot;I’m just so used to assuming property-rights = standard right-libertarian property rights. There are presumably some social anarchists that don’t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.&quot;

I don&#039;t buy even. Even these assholes have a favored owner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TGGP: &#8220;I guess you’re right, Kinsella.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t no guess about it.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m just so used to assuming property-rights = standard right-libertarian property rights. There are presumably some social anarchists that don’t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy even. Even these assholes have a favored owner.</p>
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		<title>By: rmangum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rmangum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Also, what would have to change in order for Zionism to become as acceptable as, say, black-nationalist separatism?&quot;

It would certainly help for Zionism to have as little influence over U.S. foreign-policy as black-nationalist separatism, although an anarcho-Zionism, or quasi-anarchozionism is certainly conceivable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, what would have to change in order for Zionism to become as acceptable as, say, black-nationalist separatism?&#8221;</p>
<p>It would certainly help for Zionism to have as little influence over U.S. foreign-policy as black-nationalist separatism, although an anarcho-Zionism, or quasi-anarchozionism is certainly conceivable.</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TGGP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Criticizing unhelpful tendecy’s in the milieu is essential to evolving out of roadblocks to success.&lt;/i&gt;
I&#039;m not so sure. Leftist sectarians criticize each other all the time for right-opportunist violation of dogma and left-deviationist devotion to dogma (of course it&#039;s the plumb-line radical leftist who is reasonable!). Keith has often pointed out how little that has amounted to. I think it&#039;s most worthwhile to criticize when others are actually listening and may change their minds. &quot;Hooray for our side, boo them&quot; is not very productive. That&#039;s essentially what mainstream politics consists of!

By &quot;acceptable&quot; I meant by the standards of Keith&#039;s secessionist popular front. I assumed that we&#039;re all opposed the massive amounts of U.S foreign aid going to Israel and all the intervention there (and elsewhere).

I guess you&#039;re right, Kinsella. I&#039;m just so used to assuming property-rights = standard right-libertarian property rights. There are presumably some social anarchists that don&#039;t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Criticizing unhelpful tendecy’s in the milieu is essential to evolving out of roadblocks to success.</i><br />
I&#8217;m not so sure. Leftist sectarians criticize each other all the time for right-opportunist violation of dogma and left-deviationist devotion to dogma (of course it&#8217;s the plumb-line radical leftist who is reasonable!). Keith has often pointed out how little that has amounted to. I think it&#8217;s most worthwhile to criticize when others are actually listening and may change their minds. &#8220;Hooray for our side, boo them&#8221; is not very productive. That&#8217;s essentially what mainstream politics consists of!</p>
<p>By &#8220;acceptable&#8221; I meant by the standards of Keith&#8217;s secessionist popular front. I assumed that we&#8217;re all opposed the massive amounts of U.S foreign aid going to Israel and all the intervention there (and elsewhere).</p>
<p>I guess you&#8217;re right, Kinsella. I&#8217;m just so used to assuming property-rights = standard right-libertarian property rights. There are presumably some social anarchists that don&#8217;t believe in any ownership at all and think everything should be commons though.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Kinsella</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephan Kinsella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TGGP: &quot;Maoists presumably don’t believe in property rights.&quot;

Curious, why do you say this? A property right means the right to control a given scarce resource. Surely Maoists have a position on who should own, say, the means of production. You don&#039;t mean to imply that Maoists think such things should be unowned, do you? That they should have no owners?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TGGP: &#8220;Maoists presumably don’t believe in property rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Curious, why do you say this? A property right means the right to control a given scarce resource. Surely Maoists have a position on who should own, say, the means of production. You don&#8217;t mean to imply that Maoists think such things should be unowned, do you? That they should have no owners?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with just about everything TGGP is saying. On the question of Maoists being allowed in the coalition, Keith has laid out &lt;a href=&quot;http://attackthesystem.com/liberty-and-populism-building-an-effective-resistance-movement-for-north-america/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some guidelines&lt;/a&gt; for what tendencies are coalition-worthy.&lt;blockquote&gt;Criticizing unhelpful tendecy’s in the milieu is essential to evolving out of roadblocks to success.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sure - the question being posed though is whether this has become a preoccupation rather than an instrumental means to pan-secessionist strategy. I suppose if you don&#039;t consider yourself on the left, you don&#039;t see as much at stake as I, a leftist and pan-secessionist ally, do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with just about everything TGGP is saying. On the question of Maoists being allowed in the coalition, Keith has laid out <a href="http://attackthesystem.com/liberty-and-populism-building-an-effective-resistance-movement-for-north-america/" rel="nofollow">some guidelines</a> for what tendencies are coalition-worthy.<br />
<blockquote>Criticizing unhelpful tendecy’s in the milieu is essential to evolving out of roadblocks to success.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure &#8211; the question being posed though is whether this has become a preoccupation rather than an instrumental means to pan-secessionist strategy. I suppose if you don&#8217;t consider yourself on the left, you don&#8217;t see as much at stake as I, a leftist and pan-secessionist ally, do.</p>
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