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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/12/the-60s-radicals-have-won-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just submit anything you have to kppgarv@mindspring.com</description>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/12/the-60s-radicals-have-won-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is there a way to become a content writer for the site?</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/12/the-60s-radicals-have-won-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Keith, there are these people called left libertarians who are trying to convince the radical left of the damage statist interventions like zoning laws do.  :-)  Who knows if we&#039;ll succeed.

But I think if this trend of an establishment left continues, it will be much easier to find radical leftists who will reject this establishment cultural leftism - not just because it&#039;s the status quo, but because it&#039;s an image without substance.  This could be the dynamic that finally dislodges the narrow identity politics described above from the radical leftist movement.  

I think we should anticipate a left-dominated government that will seek to moderate and stabilize capitalist institutions and will make &quot;awareness&quot; of these cultural issues paramount.  The best thing that could happen would be for the left to return to a radical class / labor movement that appeals to people in the broadest possible sense, rejecting this apologist rhetoric in favor of a popular, classical leftism opposing the establishment qua establishment and divisive identity politics qua identity politics.

But that&#039;s a tall order - I dare say it&#039;ll take more than fourty years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Keith, there are these people called left libertarians who are trying to convince the radical left of the damage statist interventions like zoning laws do.  <img src='http://attackthesystem.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Who knows if we&#8217;ll succeed.</p>
<p>But I think if this trend of an establishment left continues, it will be much easier to find radical leftists who will reject this establishment cultural leftism &#8211; not just because it&#8217;s the status quo, but because it&#8217;s an image without substance.  This could be the dynamic that finally dislodges the narrow identity politics described above from the radical leftist movement.  </p>
<p>I think we should anticipate a left-dominated government that will seek to moderate and stabilize capitalist institutions and will make &#8220;awareness&#8221; of these cultural issues paramount.  The best thing that could happen would be for the left to return to a radical class / labor movement that appeals to people in the broadest possible sense, rejecting this apologist rhetoric in favor of a popular, classical leftism opposing the establishment qua establishment and divisive identity politics qua identity politics.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s a tall order &#8211; I dare say it&#8217;ll take more than fourty years!</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/12/the-60s-radicals-have-won-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, thank you.

Jeremy, good comments. A problem that I see is that those things that do the most harm to group the Left claims to champion at the same time frequently find their most vigorous proponents on the Left. For instance, in the early 80s Walter Williams published &quot;The State Against Blacks&quot; which documented all sorts of ways state intervention undermines black community, social and economic life, yet he was not only ignored but ridiculed by the black civil rights establishment. Studies have shown that inner-city blacks have a higher quality of life in Houston than in other cities. Not coincidentally, Houston has no zoning laws. When has the Left ever spoken up against zoning ordinances?

Arguably, the most serious problem faced by women that men don&#039;t deal with as much is violent sex crimes. It seems to me the solution is more women who are armed and trained in the art of self-defense. We know what the typical liberal view on that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, thank you.</p>
<p>Jeremy, good comments. A problem that I see is that those things that do the most harm to group the Left claims to champion at the same time frequently find their most vigorous proponents on the Left. For instance, in the early 80s Walter Williams published &#8220;The State Against Blacks&#8221; which documented all sorts of ways state intervention undermines black community, social and economic life, yet he was not only ignored but ridiculed by the black civil rights establishment. Studies have shown that inner-city blacks have a higher quality of life in Houston than in other cities. Not coincidentally, Houston has no zoning laws. When has the Left ever spoken up against zoning ordinances?</p>
<p>Arguably, the most serious problem faced by women that men don&#8217;t deal with as much is violent sex crimes. It seems to me the solution is more women who are armed and trained in the art of self-defense. We know what the typical liberal view on that is.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis, Keith.  The important point is to see the mainstream cultural left as no longer radical but establishmentarian.  You can still advocate radical positions on the issues they claim to care about, but to do so in a radical manner would necessarily challenge the institutions they have captured.

One of the ways they&#039;ve become the establishment is by creating images of a movement for change without substance. Of course, Obama epitomizes this marketing approach to cultural transformation.  Alter the packaging and people will think it&#039;s a new kind of corn flakes.

The irony of the matter is that these leftist issues are still problems in important senses, but since the mainstream left has built their image around looking like they&#039;re fixing them, they&#039;ve never been addressed on an institutional level.  It&#039;s easy to go after individual bigots - much more challenging to address the structural racism of things like housing projects and welfare programs.  It sucks that environmentalism is a cultural movement and not a radical political one like it should be.  But culture is much more easily co-opted by capitalism than structural change.  And so it goes with the institutional nature of things like racism, sexism, etc. - in all cases the goal is to preserve existing power structures as much as possible while playing lip service to ameliorating these ills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis, Keith.  The important point is to see the mainstream cultural left as no longer radical but establishmentarian.  You can still advocate radical positions on the issues they claim to care about, but to do so in a radical manner would necessarily challenge the institutions they have captured.</p>
<p>One of the ways they&#8217;ve become the establishment is by creating images of a movement for change without substance. Of course, Obama epitomizes this marketing approach to cultural transformation.  Alter the packaging and people will think it&#8217;s a new kind of corn flakes.</p>
<p>The irony of the matter is that these leftist issues are still problems in important senses, but since the mainstream left has built their image around looking like they&#8217;re fixing them, they&#8217;ve never been addressed on an institutional level.  It&#8217;s easy to go after individual bigots &#8211; much more challenging to address the structural racism of things like housing projects and welfare programs.  It sucks that environmentalism is a cultural movement and not a radical political one like it should be.  But culture is much more easily co-opted by capitalism than structural change.  And so it goes with the institutional nature of things like racism, sexism, etc. &#8211; in all cases the goal is to preserve existing power structures as much as possible while playing lip service to ameliorating these ills.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That was the best thing I&#039;ve read in a while. I&#039;m speechless.</description>
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		<title>By: Keith Preston</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/12/the-60s-radicals-have-won-now-what/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments and I agree completely. I&#039;m going to post your comments on the ATS list. Please subscribe if you&#039;re not already a member.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments and I agree completely. I&#8217;m going to post your comments on the ATS list. Please subscribe if you&#8217;re not already a member.</p>
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		<title>By: rmangum</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmangum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really great post. I agree that the cultural left virtually won every major battle, only not as fully and quickly as they&#039;d like to. I consider myself to be on the left side of most issues, but it concerns me how much of a double standard the left has when it comes to defending the civil liberties of &quot;minorities&quot; (yes to women and gays, no to poor white religious nuts). I would have to slightly disagree that the left is &quot;losing&quot; on the issue of the criminal justice system, because they have virtually abandoned this issue, opting for narrow identity politics (i.e. advancing the social status of favored groups). I have blogged about this issue recently, positing a possible &quot;liberal police state&quot;. 

The left feels the nascent power of being in cultural ascendancy, and dutifully drop, or at least soften their stance, on issues that would really shake up the power structure, such as the prison system and the military industrial complex. Why should they weaken state power just at the moment they are finally able to wield it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really great post. I agree that the cultural left virtually won every major battle, only not as fully and quickly as they&#8217;d like to. I consider myself to be on the left side of most issues, but it concerns me how much of a double standard the left has when it comes to defending the civil liberties of &#8220;minorities&#8221; (yes to women and gays, no to poor white religious nuts). I would have to slightly disagree that the left is &#8220;losing&#8221; on the issue of the criminal justice system, because they have virtually abandoned this issue, opting for narrow identity politics (i.e. advancing the social status of favored groups). I have blogged about this issue recently, positing a possible &#8220;liberal police state&#8221;. </p>
<p>The left feels the nascent power of being in cultural ascendancy, and dutifully drop, or at least soften their stance, on issues that would really shake up the power structure, such as the prison system and the military industrial complex. Why should they weaken state power just at the moment they are finally able to wield it?</p>
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