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		<title>By: Umar Vadillo</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/08/22/sufic-notes-on-proudhon-rothbard-and-anarchism/#comment-3896</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is Umar Vadillo quoted above in the article. I loved Proudhon for two reasons he lighted the fire of anti-capitalism that belongs to all thinking men; second, he did not produced a solution and that led me to Islam. That Islam could be the final frontier of Anarchism would appear like a pure contradiction, but let me offer you some arguments that could perhaps make you think twice.
&quot;No god, no master&quot; this is how I was first introduced to Anarchism by my friends in the politically hot Basque Country still at the time of Generalisimo Franco. In their mouths sounded like liberation itself, so much so, that killed my last sentiments of Catholic faith which Franco so much liked. That was god out of my life for ever, I thought. Then I met Shaykh Abdalqadir as-Sufi with something even more extraordinary: &quot;La ilaha ila Allah&quot;. This sounded to me like, &#039;no god, no master, except Allah&#039;. Allah gives true meaning to the &#039;no god, no master&#039; I firmly believed in.
Forget theology as crap. My Shaykh taught me to repeat three words: &quot;Allah, Allah, Allah&quot;. No theories. I dived into it and came out broken, the meaning of which is, every time I mentioned His Name ever since my heart shines in certainty and presence. I have no faith, I have certainty.
That was that. But how about the revolution? What has Islam to say about capitalism? Shaykh Abdalqadir&#039;s answer took me like a tornado, catapulted me to the frontline of the Islamic Opening (in Arabic fath, literally opening but also victory). Islam offers the answer to was missing with Proudhon. But no the Islam of Saudi Arabia, the real Islam of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. His Sunnah or Practice is known as &#039;amal. The complete model of his social practice is known as muamalat. Muamalat is the answer.
Here are some clues: 1.- Freedom to choose the medium of exchange. This implies the end of Legal Tender Laws, thus constitutions and thus the State as institution (I will add something about the definition of State later). 2.- Public Markets as a right to trade of every individual. No more supermarkets, malls. No to the privatization of market places. Real Free Trade figures here as a true force of revolution (read Proudhon&#039;s &quot;A General Idea....&quot;). 3.- Caravans or public infrastructure for long distance trading. A critical extension of the public nature of trading infrastructure, that is, the sharing of means of trading. 4.- Guilds as the end of the employer/employee relationship in favor of master/apprentice. End of the working class. Sharing of the means of production within the guild. Each guild being open ended (unlike cooperatives) represents society in its true factual manifestation, that is, for what it does. End of political parties (read here the vertical representation of society in line with the guild-socialism of Cole). 5.- Existential contracts, meaning, representing facts not essentialist ideals. End of usury: every transaction must be &#039;equal for equal&quot; and &quot;hand to hand&quot;. That is, end of banking (including the stupid idea of islamic banking), end of futures and end of an economy of debt (debt represents only 1% of the activity in an Islamic economy, not the 99% of the present capitalist economy). End of majority shareholding: you are an owner only if you can act as an [existential] owner. We recall Heidegger: &quot;an act is not an idea, only is in its execution&quot;.
Now we read again Wagner&#039;s statement: &quot;Government without State, and commerce without usury&quot;. What is State without government? What is the State? This is my definition: State is Government+Banking (Central Bank). That new institution at the heart of the capitalist religion that exists without name. I contend that the event of the creation of the Bank of England as the first (well, the first was the Banco de Spiritus Sanctus founded by Pope Paul V on December 13, 1605. The Bank was the first national bank in Europe in the Papal States) central bank endorsed by government signals the true empowerment of capitalism and the creation of a new institution in the history of the world: governments which throughout history had persecuted usury on religious grounds, now start to be associated (married) to the banks. This institution I call the State. And thus the expression &quot;government without state&quot; becomes meaningful.
Because of all these, which is not an argument but my own journey, I believe Islam is at the end of the trail of Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Durruti, Cole and then Heidegger and then there is a gap, ...and then Islam. The gap cannot be crossed with reason, so those who worship reason will have to stay on the other side. But those with the adventurous heart and revolutionary spirit will dive into Islam and some will return to the surface, but some will drown... only to live again. The ones that drowned, those are the ones I belong to.
Greetings
Umar Vadillo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Umar Vadillo quoted above in the article. I loved Proudhon for two reasons he lighted the fire of anti-capitalism that belongs to all thinking men; second, he did not produced a solution and that led me to Islam. That Islam could be the final frontier of Anarchism would appear like a pure contradiction, but let me offer you some arguments that could perhaps make you think twice.<br />
&#8220;No god, no master&#8221; this is how I was first introduced to Anarchism by my friends in the politically hot Basque Country still at the time of Generalisimo Franco. In their mouths sounded like liberation itself, so much so, that killed my last sentiments of Catholic faith which Franco so much liked. That was god out of my life for ever, I thought. Then I met Shaykh Abdalqadir as-Sufi with something even more extraordinary: &#8220;La ilaha ila Allah&#8221;. This sounded to me like, &#8216;no god, no master, except Allah&#8217;. Allah gives true meaning to the &#8216;no god, no master&#8217; I firmly believed in.<br />
Forget theology as crap. My Shaykh taught me to repeat three words: &#8220;Allah, Allah, Allah&#8221;. No theories. I dived into it and came out broken, the meaning of which is, every time I mentioned His Name ever since my heart shines in certainty and presence. I have no faith, I have certainty.<br />
That was that. But how about the revolution? What has Islam to say about capitalism? Shaykh Abdalqadir&#8217;s answer took me like a tornado, catapulted me to the frontline of the Islamic Opening (in Arabic fath, literally opening but also victory). Islam offers the answer to was missing with Proudhon. But no the Islam of Saudi Arabia, the real Islam of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. His Sunnah or Practice is known as &#8216;amal. The complete model of his social practice is known as muamalat. Muamalat is the answer.<br />
Here are some clues: 1.- Freedom to choose the medium of exchange. This implies the end of Legal Tender Laws, thus constitutions and thus the State as institution (I will add something about the definition of State later). 2.- Public Markets as a right to trade of every individual. No more supermarkets, malls. No to the privatization of market places. Real Free Trade figures here as a true force of revolution (read Proudhon&#8217;s &#8220;A General Idea&#8230;.&#8221;). 3.- Caravans or public infrastructure for long distance trading. A critical extension of the public nature of trading infrastructure, that is, the sharing of means of trading. 4.- Guilds as the end of the employer/employee relationship in favor of master/apprentice. End of the working class. Sharing of the means of production within the guild. Each guild being open ended (unlike cooperatives) represents society in its true factual manifestation, that is, for what it does. End of political parties (read here the vertical representation of society in line with the guild-socialism of Cole). 5.- Existential contracts, meaning, representing facts not essentialist ideals. End of usury: every transaction must be &#8216;equal for equal&#8221; and &#8220;hand to hand&#8221;. That is, end of banking (including the stupid idea of islamic banking), end of futures and end of an economy of debt (debt represents only 1% of the activity in an Islamic economy, not the 99% of the present capitalist economy). End of majority shareholding: you are an owner only if you can act as an [existential] owner. We recall Heidegger: &#8220;an act is not an idea, only is in its execution&#8221;.<br />
Now we read again Wagner&#8217;s statement: &#8220;Government without State, and commerce without usury&#8221;. What is State without government? What is the State? This is my definition: State is Government+Banking (Central Bank). That new institution at the heart of the capitalist religion that exists without name. I contend that the event of the creation of the Bank of England as the first (well, the first was the Banco de Spiritus Sanctus founded by Pope Paul V on December 13, 1605. The Bank was the first national bank in Europe in the Papal States) central bank endorsed by government signals the true empowerment of capitalism and the creation of a new institution in the history of the world: governments which throughout history had persecuted usury on religious grounds, now start to be associated (married) to the banks. This institution I call the State. And thus the expression &#8220;government without state&#8221; becomes meaningful.<br />
Because of all these, which is not an argument but my own journey, I believe Islam is at the end of the trail of Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Durruti, Cole and then Heidegger and then there is a gap, &#8230;and then Islam. The gap cannot be crossed with reason, so those who worship reason will have to stay on the other side. But those with the adventurous heart and revolutionary spirit will dive into Islam and some will return to the surface, but some will drown&#8230; only to live again. The ones that drowned, those are the ones I belong to.<br />
Greetings<br />
Umar Vadillo</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jobst</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/08/22/sufic-notes-on-proudhon-rothbard-and-anarchism/#comment-3895</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that anarchism is a political theory pertinent to the Western context, but that it finds expressions in the broader sense of the world within other cultures and traditions. So when I talk about anarchism and Islam, what I am really referring to is a method of viewing the public role of the faith, to meet the challenge - within the modern discourse - of puritanical, statist trends and those which reduce Islam to a political ideology rather than a faith.

The following represents a modest effort to explain an anarchist/libertarian view of the Islamic faith as opposed to these modern puritanical/statist expressions which have unfortunately come to dominate the discourse. But I am not equating the two, as the basis of Islam is ruhani and that of anarchism/libertarianism is ideological. My effort is solely to be viewed within the context of method and not belief....

I find that Islam is the natural culmination of anarchist/libertarian socialist ideas. There is no concept called &quot;Islamic&quot; State, despite the claims of modern puritans who promote this aberation. Our belief is a personal matter between ourselves and Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta&#039;ala). There is no compulsion in Islam, but rather every act or belief must come from the free-will of the individual.

Islam promotes an authentic free market, without any monopolies or intervention. One hadith condemns the State Socialist/Capitalist concept of price-fixing or other forms of State intervention. Everyone is free to produce, trade or sell their goods in a free market. Proudhon described the two-faceted nature of private property, a potential problem remedied by the Islamic concept of the Awqaf. We are stewards of the earth and cannot take possession of that which belongs to all, except as the product of our labor.

&quot;Governance without State, Trade without Usury&quot;

I am a convert (or revert) to Islam, from a Catholic background. One of the things which drew me to Islam is the fact that it has no religious hierarchies. Everyone is free in the sight of Islam, with no special privileges. These unnatural and coercive hierarchies have no place in an Islam which realizes this perfect balance of individual liberty and social equality within a higher spiritual realm.

All social interactions under Islam derive from the free-will of the individual. The only &quot;hiearchies&quot; that are recognized are the natural ones such as family and that which is based on knowledge and abilities. One hadith describes the believers as one body, each supporting and complementing the other. This is the society of free individuals, the jamaat whose strength is derived from cooperation and whose members are connected to each other by their hearts, rather than unnatural coercive authorities such as those founded on legislation, force or wealth.

Zakat is synonymous with the mutual aid of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and the charity envisioned by early anarchist William Godwin. It is not collected by the State (a concept foreign to Islam) but rather by a larger system of amirs which is not monopolistic. The Qur&#039;an emphasizes the charity which is given freely by the individual, who sees it as his or her natural duty to help the less fortunate in society.

Islam has much to say about the current Capitalist State which derives its authority from the twin pillars of taxation and usury, and perpetuates the interests of Corporate and banking interests and a professional class of charlatans known as &quot;politicians&quot;.

Tasawwuf emphasizes the struggle against the self as paramount. This is a natural complement to the anarchist doctrine of non-violent means to achieve objectives. The Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu &#039;alayhi wa sallam) always chose the option that would minimize bloodshed. Da&#039;wa means peaceful arguments and setting an example.

There are many misconceptions about Shari&#039;a, but certainly the coercive enforcement of Shari&#039;a is not in keeping with Islamic ideals. This is where social cooperation and mutual aid comes into play, not some type of &quot;Islamic state&quot; as the puritans assert. The early Islamic society at Madina used social pressures to regulate behavior rather than coercion. Exile was often a punishment, which is in keeping with anarchist concepts of separate free communities.

There is a remarkable distinction of sins committed in public and private, and the respect to privacy was paramount inside one&#039;s home. It is also true that the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu &#039;alayhi wa sallam) only instituted hadd punishments whenever people came to him and confessed of their free-will, since they wanted to be released of the burden of their own sins and lessen its effects in Akhira.

&quot;In the unanimous view of our Fuqaha, what has been declared Haram is Haram and what is Halal is Halal. Now the Deen of Islam is not actually based on that set of judgments which could result in a decision of either punishment or pardon, or equally a reward of financial payment. While this is rarely understood by the kuffar, it must be understood by the Muslims - the Shari&#039;at and its judgments are sustained by an underlying social nexus of what is agreed among us embodying what is praiseworthy behaviour and unworthy behaviour. The primary inhibition to wrong action is not the threatening law of punishment but the disapproval and social rejection of our peers. This whole web of social disapproval and social approval results in a pattern of social behaviour that is harmonious, fair and courteous. This is what we call Sunna. The Sunnan are pegged in place by the Fara&#039;id, or the obligatory.&quot; - Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi

The fact that Islam is based on the four madhahib and distinct practices of the various Tariqas, but that each are considered valid no matter which one the individual Muslim chooses to accept. This is very different from the notion that religion is about embracing one doctrine and ensuring conformity with its practices.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that anarchism is a political theory pertinent to the Western context, but that it finds expressions in the broader sense of the world within other cultures and traditions. So when I talk about anarchism and Islam, what I am really referring to is a method of viewing the public role of the faith, to meet the challenge &#8211; within the modern discourse &#8211; of puritanical, statist trends and those which reduce Islam to a political ideology rather than a faith.</p>
<p>The following represents a modest effort to explain an anarchist/libertarian view of the Islamic faith as opposed to these modern puritanical/statist expressions which have unfortunately come to dominate the discourse. But I am not equating the two, as the basis of Islam is ruhani and that of anarchism/libertarianism is ideological. My effort is solely to be viewed within the context of method and not belief&#8230;.</p>
<p>I find that Islam is the natural culmination of anarchist/libertarian socialist ideas. There is no concept called &#8220;Islamic&#8221; State, despite the claims of modern puritans who promote this aberation. Our belief is a personal matter between ourselves and Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta&#8217;ala). There is no compulsion in Islam, but rather every act or belief must come from the free-will of the individual.</p>
<p>Islam promotes an authentic free market, without any monopolies or intervention. One hadith condemns the State Socialist/Capitalist concept of price-fixing or other forms of State intervention. Everyone is free to produce, trade or sell their goods in a free market. Proudhon described the two-faceted nature of private property, a potential problem remedied by the Islamic concept of the Awqaf. We are stewards of the earth and cannot take possession of that which belongs to all, except as the product of our labor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Governance without State, Trade without Usury&#8221;</p>
<p>I am a convert (or revert) to Islam, from a Catholic background. One of the things which drew me to Islam is the fact that it has no religious hierarchies. Everyone is free in the sight of Islam, with no special privileges. These unnatural and coercive hierarchies have no place in an Islam which realizes this perfect balance of individual liberty and social equality within a higher spiritual realm.</p>
<p>All social interactions under Islam derive from the free-will of the individual. The only &#8220;hiearchies&#8221; that are recognized are the natural ones such as family and that which is based on knowledge and abilities. One hadith describes the believers as one body, each supporting and complementing the other. This is the society of free individuals, the jamaat whose strength is derived from cooperation and whose members are connected to each other by their hearts, rather than unnatural coercive authorities such as those founded on legislation, force or wealth.</p>
<p>Zakat is synonymous with the mutual aid of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and the charity envisioned by early anarchist William Godwin. It is not collected by the State (a concept foreign to Islam) but rather by a larger system of amirs which is not monopolistic. The Qur&#8217;an emphasizes the charity which is given freely by the individual, who sees it as his or her natural duty to help the less fortunate in society.</p>
<p>Islam has much to say about the current Capitalist State which derives its authority from the twin pillars of taxation and usury, and perpetuates the interests of Corporate and banking interests and a professional class of charlatans known as &#8220;politicians&#8221;.</p>
<p>Tasawwuf emphasizes the struggle against the self as paramount. This is a natural complement to the anarchist doctrine of non-violent means to achieve objectives. The Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu &#8216;alayhi wa sallam) always chose the option that would minimize bloodshed. Da&#8217;wa means peaceful arguments and setting an example.</p>
<p>There are many misconceptions about Shari&#8217;a, but certainly the coercive enforcement of Shari&#8217;a is not in keeping with Islamic ideals. This is where social cooperation and mutual aid comes into play, not some type of &#8220;Islamic state&#8221; as the puritans assert. The early Islamic society at Madina used social pressures to regulate behavior rather than coercion. Exile was often a punishment, which is in keeping with anarchist concepts of separate free communities.</p>
<p>There is a remarkable distinction of sins committed in public and private, and the respect to privacy was paramount inside one&#8217;s home. It is also true that the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu &#8216;alayhi wa sallam) only instituted hadd punishments whenever people came to him and confessed of their free-will, since they wanted to be released of the burden of their own sins and lessen its effects in Akhira.</p>
<p>&#8220;In the unanimous view of our Fuqaha, what has been declared Haram is Haram and what is Halal is Halal. Now the Deen of Islam is not actually based on that set of judgments which could result in a decision of either punishment or pardon, or equally a reward of financial payment. While this is rarely understood by the kuffar, it must be understood by the Muslims &#8211; the Shari&#8217;at and its judgments are sustained by an underlying social nexus of what is agreed among us embodying what is praiseworthy behaviour and unworthy behaviour. The primary inhibition to wrong action is not the threatening law of punishment but the disapproval and social rejection of our peers. This whole web of social disapproval and social approval results in a pattern of social behaviour that is harmonious, fair and courteous. This is what we call Sunna. The Sunnan are pegged in place by the Fara&#8217;id, or the obligatory.&#8221; &#8211; Shaykh Dr. Abdalqadir as-Sufi</p>
<p>The fact that Islam is based on the four madhahib and distinct practices of the various Tariqas, but that each are considered valid no matter which one the individual Muslim chooses to accept. This is very different from the notion that religion is about embracing one doctrine and ensuring conformity with its practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jobst</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am the original author of it and would like to clarify two problems with it. First, it did not adequately define the vague term of &quot;property&quot;. Proudhon differentiated between property and possession. Within the anarchist context, possession is personal but property is the term used for what the capitalist system perpetrates. I should have defined the term further.

Second, I have since found many inconsistencies within the writings of Rothbard and his support for usury and interest receives nothing but my opposition. Likewise, I reject firmly the very concept of &quot;Anarcho&quot;-Capitalism. The free-market which I have nothing but the fullest support for is not the same thing as capitalism which has from its inception been State intervention in the markets to benefit certain financial and corporate interests.

I have since studied the writings of Benjamin Tucker and Lysander Spooner. And my discovery of Kevin Carson&#039;s Studies in Mutualist Political Economy has refined my understanding in this regard. I still think the Austrian economists made many valid points, but I have far more affinity with the Left-Libertarian movement, with the Market Anarchist and Mutualist trends than with the &quot;mainstream&quot; libertarian movement.

As I study Sufism in much greater detail, its close parallel with anarchist ideals has only become more apparent to me. I only skirted the issue whereas I could have been drowning in a living testament to libertarian/anarchist ideals within a spiritual framework. The wisdom of the Sufi teachers and their practices is very close to the ideas cherished by anarchists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the original author of it and would like to clarify two problems with it. First, it did not adequately define the vague term of &#8220;property&#8221;. Proudhon differentiated between property and possession. Within the anarchist context, possession is personal but property is the term used for what the capitalist system perpetrates. I should have defined the term further.</p>
<p>Second, I have since found many inconsistencies within the writings of Rothbard and his support for usury and interest receives nothing but my opposition. Likewise, I reject firmly the very concept of &#8220;Anarcho&#8221;-Capitalism. The free-market which I have nothing but the fullest support for is not the same thing as capitalism which has from its inception been State intervention in the markets to benefit certain financial and corporate interests.</p>
<p>I have since studied the writings of Benjamin Tucker and Lysander Spooner. And my discovery of Kevin Carson&#8217;s Studies in Mutualist Political Economy has refined my understanding in this regard. I still think the Austrian economists made many valid points, but I have far more affinity with the Left-Libertarian movement, with the Market Anarchist and Mutualist trends than with the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; libertarian movement.</p>
<p>As I study Sufism in much greater detail, its close parallel with anarchist ideals has only become more apparent to me. I only skirted the issue whereas I could have been drowning in a living testament to libertarian/anarchist ideals within a spiritual framework. The wisdom of the Sufi teachers and their practices is very close to the ideas cherished by anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Burrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NA23</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exellent reading, thanks for this. The essay has some awesome quote material, very good explanations. I liked it so much I reposted it at my blog:
http://anarchonation.blogspot.com/2008/09/sufic-notes-on-anarchism.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exellent reading, thanks for this. The essay has some awesome quote material, very good explanations. I liked it so much I reposted it at my blog:<br />
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