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		<title>By: avmed</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3891</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, for the past couple of years or so, I have heard so many supposedly smart and connected people say, uh, &quot;It&#039;s almost impossible to recognize a bubble when you&#039;re in it&quot; when the subject of our last el-grande bubble of real estate comes up. You know, the housing bubble I recognized in maybe &#039;02, that 90% of others were &#039;blindsided&quot; by, including geniuses like Greenspan, Bernancke, 99% of the banks in the WORLD, rating agencies, investment houses, insurance companies, 75 % of the American public, and, of course, Fannie/Freddie, the black hole for the right side of my pay stub. But, for the past almost year, I&#039;ve heard many smart and connected people tell me that the safety of bonds and bond funds are in a bubble. They were in a bubble last summer, and they are more than certain about that, it seems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, for the past couple of years or so, I have heard so many supposedly smart and connected people say, uh, &#8220;It&#8217;s almost impossible to recognize a bubble when you&#8217;re in it&#8221; when the subject of our last el-grande bubble of real estate comes up. You know, the housing bubble I recognized in maybe &#8217;02, that 90% of others were &#8216;blindsided&#8221; by, including geniuses like Greenspan, Bernancke, 99% of the banks in the WORLD, rating agencies, investment houses, insurance companies, 75 % of the American public, and, of course, Fannie/Freddie, the black hole for the right side of my pay stub. But, for the past almost year, I&#8217;ve heard many smart and connected people tell me that the safety of bonds and bond funds are in a bubble. They were in a bubble last summer, and they are more than certain about that, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3890</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there anarchist deities, entites, and individuals in the house? Attempting to take the resources of the corporations unless Earth truly is a free-for-all would be either futile, or just something not worth my life.

If such entities exist then we can have the resource base to start negotiating about territory. There are areas in the globe that I wonder if the resources there truly belong to this idol bashing regime of the bible or the corporate regimes attempting their stranglehold on us.

While I don&#039;t want to divulge what areas of the globe I am wonderin&#039; about, I think it is due time that if those areas do not belong to the aforementioned regimes, that we declare complete secession and take those areas for ourselves. If the land has nothing to do with either of those regimes then we can build borders that keep corporations, religionists, and other similar types of hegemonic regimes out of the picture.

If not. I will still take this money as if it were comissary money in a jail or poker chips at a table. No majority will get me to throw in those chips unless there is a good exit strategy in place.

Anyone want to discuss about those areas where there may be resources then you are welcome to email me. I am open to tax governments too, but would promise anarchists that I would not tax them in territory that is theirs or that we share, as long as they don&#039;t either.

I am also for sexual freedoms, drug freedoms, and gambling, so those who are serious about figuring out where this can get done are welcome to let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there anarchist deities, entites, and individuals in the house? Attempting to take the resources of the corporations unless Earth truly is a free-for-all would be either futile, or just something not worth my life.</p>
<p>If such entities exist then we can have the resource base to start negotiating about territory. There are areas in the globe that I wonder if the resources there truly belong to this idol bashing regime of the bible or the corporate regimes attempting their stranglehold on us.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t want to divulge what areas of the globe I am wonderin&#8217; about, I think it is due time that if those areas do not belong to the aforementioned regimes, that we declare complete secession and take those areas for ourselves. If the land has nothing to do with either of those regimes then we can build borders that keep corporations, religionists, and other similar types of hegemonic regimes out of the picture.</p>
<p>If not. I will still take this money as if it were comissary money in a jail or poker chips at a table. No majority will get me to throw in those chips unless there is a good exit strategy in place.</p>
<p>Anyone want to discuss about those areas where there may be resources then you are welcome to email me. I am open to tax governments too, but would promise anarchists that I would not tax them in territory that is theirs or that we share, as long as they don&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>I am also for sexual freedoms, drug freedoms, and gambling, so those who are serious about figuring out where this can get done are welcome to let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: North American Union</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3889</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is necessary to have a lot of faith in one&#039;s work to hold out, which my father - if he were still alive - would consider sick.H.R.GigerH. R. Giger]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is necessary to have a lot of faith in one&#8217;s work to hold out, which my father &#8211; if he were still alive &#8211; would consider sick.H.R.GigerH. R. Giger</p>
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		<title>By: Police State</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Police State]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps I know best why it is man alone who laughs; he alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter.FriedrichWilhelmNietzscheFriedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I know best why it is man alone who laughs; he alone suffers so deeply that he had to invent laughter.FriedrichWilhelmNietzscheFriedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Wittman</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela Wittman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Keith,

Thank you so much for mentioning the US Senate race of Larry Kilgore.  I was his media coordinator and while Mr. Kilgore was a bold advocate for Texas independence, he also ran on a Biblical Law platform.  As far as I know, he never downplayed his belief in Jesus Christ as the ultimate hope for an independent Texas and he received many votes from Christians who agreed with him on moral issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Keith,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for mentioning the US Senate race of Larry Kilgore.  I was his media coordinator and while Mr. Kilgore was a bold advocate for Texas independence, he also ran on a Biblical Law platform.  As far as I know, he never downplayed his belief in Jesus Christ as the ultimate hope for an independent Texas and he received many votes from Christians who agreed with him on moral issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mutual defense pact implies a discipline that I&#039;m not certain we can count on from such a decentralized order.  I can&#039;t help but think back to the regular desertions and morale problems of the original revolution.  I think what will put any pan-secessionist movement over the top is an &quot;open source&quot; approach to warfare, where people contribute as they can / as necessary towards a commonly understood goal, whatever that is.  I imagine sign-off on that goal and minimal commitment to it would precede any attempt at secession anyway, and a lot of this will be worked out in practice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mutual defense pact implies a discipline that I&#8217;m not certain we can count on from such a decentralized order.  I can&#8217;t help but think back to the regular desertions and morale problems of the original revolution.  I think what will put any pan-secessionist movement over the top is an &#8220;open source&#8221; approach to warfare, where people contribute as they can / as necessary towards a commonly understood goal, whatever that is.  I imagine sign-off on that goal and minimal commitment to it would precede any attempt at secession anyway, and a lot of this will be worked out in practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://attackthesystem.com/2008/07/23/achieving-a-pan-secessionist-critical-mass/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Rhodes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike:  The idea is to build a PAN-secessionist critical mass, so that all the cities, states, regions, counties, etc. that want to secede can do so at the same time without the empire&#039;s attention being focused on one group of secessionists.  If you read Keith&#039;s &quot;After The Revolution&quot; piece to the right here, he addresses this issue.

&quot;Formal independence from the US regime should not be declared until the revolutionary forces are solidly in control of a majority of the territory of the United States and until credible commitments for aid to the revolutionaries from outside the US have been obtained. Furthermore, a mutual defense pact where each group of local revolutionaries agrees to defend the others will be vital. The state of Vermont or the city of San Francisco will not be able to withstand a blockade imposed by the US military. Although the revolutionary forces should be decentralized in character, the overriding principal of military defense should be â€œan injury to one is an injury to all.â€

So the idea is that all the cities/regions/whatevers prepare for warfare at the same time, although to put on my optimist hat that might not even be necessary if you consider the relatively non-violent dissolution of that OTHER continent straddling evil empire.

Alan:  The idea is to build a pan-secessionist CRITICAL mass, much for the same reason, so that there&#039;s widespread support for the secessions which hopefully will be a deterrent to a few hundred reruns of Waco.  I don&#039;t think it will work otherwise.  if popular support could be bypassed entirely, well, I&#039;d probably be writing you from the Republic of Josh and his Sixty Closest Friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:  The idea is to build a PAN-secessionist critical mass, so that all the cities, states, regions, counties, etc. that want to secede can do so at the same time without the empire&#8217;s attention being focused on one group of secessionists.  If you read Keith&#8217;s &#8220;After The Revolution&#8221; piece to the right here, he addresses this issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;Formal independence from the US regime should not be declared until the revolutionary forces are solidly in control of a majority of the territory of the United States and until credible commitments for aid to the revolutionaries from outside the US have been obtained. Furthermore, a mutual defense pact where each group of local revolutionaries agrees to defend the others will be vital. The state of Vermont or the city of San Francisco will not be able to withstand a blockade imposed by the US military. Although the revolutionary forces should be decentralized in character, the overriding principal of military defense should be â€œan injury to one is an injury to all.â€</p>
<p>So the idea is that all the cities/regions/whatevers prepare for warfare at the same time, although to put on my optimist hat that might not even be necessary if you consider the relatively non-violent dissolution of that OTHER continent straddling evil empire.</p>
<p>Alan:  The idea is to build a pan-secessionist CRITICAL mass, much for the same reason, so that there&#8217;s widespread support for the secessions which hopefully will be a deterrent to a few hundred reruns of Waco.  I don&#8217;t think it will work otherwise.  if popular support could be bypassed entirely, well, I&#8217;d probably be writing you from the Republic of Josh and his Sixty Closest Friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The whole point of secession, especially migratory secession, is that it doesn&#039;t require critical mass.  Secession is a way around the need for critical mass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of secession, especially migratory secession, is that it doesn&#8217;t require critical mass.  Secession is a way around the need for critical mass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;38 percent of those with less than a high school diploma would support secession, while less than 10 percent of college graduates were pro-secession.&lt;/em&gt;

...or the efficiency of the shamelessly pro-state brainwashing curriculum offered across the land...

&lt;em&gt;However, I am not convinced that the present ruling class would be any less offended by secession on the part of scattered clusters of city-states than it would by secession by a unified block of states&lt;/em&gt;

Certainly not. Once one part of the US secedes, the cat&#039;s out of the bag and other regions will look to the successful project as a model. The people who own the US cannot let that happen; it threatens their designs at a fundamental level.

The city-state and/or cluster strategy is probably the right one for reasons of scale. It should be easier to create a sense of common identity (at least for the secession question) within a single city than it is to unite the city&#039;s identity with the rural areas that surround it, and even in some cases with nearby cities (as an extreme example, the cultures of Minneapolis and St. Paul are quite different though they are very close together).

That said, the city which chooses to go first had best prepare for warfare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>38 percent of those with less than a high school diploma would support secession, while less than 10 percent of college graduates were pro-secession.</em></p>
<p>&#8230;or the efficiency of the shamelessly pro-state brainwashing curriculum offered across the land&#8230;</p>
<p><em>However, I am not convinced that the present ruling class would be any less offended by secession on the part of scattered clusters of city-states than it would by secession by a unified block of states</em></p>
<p>Certainly not. Once one part of the US secedes, the cat&#8217;s out of the bag and other regions will look to the successful project as a model. The people who own the US cannot let that happen; it threatens their designs at a fundamental level.</p>
<p>The city-state and/or cluster strategy is probably the right one for reasons of scale. It should be easier to create a sense of common identity (at least for the secession question) within a single city than it is to unite the city&#8217;s identity with the rural areas that surround it, and even in some cases with nearby cities (as an extreme example, the cultures of Minneapolis and St. Paul are quite different though they are very close together).</p>
<p>That said, the city which chooses to go first had best prepare for warfare.</p>
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